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Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 am You just described almost every striker that has played for Germany in the last 30 odd years. Klinsmann, Voeller, Bierhoff, Klose, Muller etc. All tall, strong, skilled on the ball and very direct. Italy got wise to the game in 2006 with the addition of Luca Toni(6' 4") and Fabio Grosso(6' 3") who helped them lift the 2006 WC. Brazil also had Adriano and Luis Fabiano (both over 6 feet) who helped them lift a couple of Copa Americas in the early aughts. Argentina had Batigol and Crespo, also both 6 footers. Other notable mentions are Mandzucic and assorted other Balkan strikers like Dzeko, and other Serbian strikers whose names escape me right now.

So no this is not new

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:10 am

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 am You just described almost every striker that has played for Germany in the last 30 odd years. Klinsmann, Voeller, Bierhoff, Klose, Muller etc. All tall, strong, skilled on the ball and very direct. Italy got wise to the game in 2006 with the addition of Luca Toni(6' 4") and Fabio Grosso(6' 3") who helped them lift the 2006 WC. Brazil also had Adriano and Luis Fabiano (both over 6 feet) who helped them lift a couple of Copa Americas in the early aughts. Argentina had Batigol and Crespo, also both 6 footers. Other notable mentions are Mandzucic and assorted other Balkan strikers like Dzeko, and other Serbian strikers whose names escape me right now.

So no this is not new

I do not think you know what you are talking about...

Klinsmann, Voeller, Klose, Mueller, Adriano, Bati... Jeeze....That is WIDE off the mark!

Fabio Grosso is a left back bro...

Anyways, thanks and goodbye

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:32 am

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:10 am

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 am You just described almost every striker that has played for Germany in the last 30 odd years. Klinsmann, Voeller, Bierhoff, Klose, Muller etc. All tall, strong, skilled on the ball and very direct. Italy got wise to the game in 2006 with the addition of Luca Toni(6' 4") and Fabio Grosso(6' 3") who helped them lift the 2006 WC. Brazil also had Adriano and Luis Fabiano (both over 6 feet) who helped them lift a couple of Copa Americas in the early aughts. Argentina had Batigol and Crespo, also both 6 footers. Other notable mentions are Mandzucic and assorted other Balkan strikers like Dzeko, and other Serbian strikers whose names escape me right now.

So no this is not new

I do not think you know what you are talking about...

Klinsmann, Voeller, Klose, Mueller, Adriano, Bati... Jeeze....That is WIDE off the mark!

Fabio Grosso is a left back bro...

Anyways, thanks and goodbye

I KNOW you don’t think. I have seen multiple instances of it all over this forum, and I am not your “bro” you halitosis afflicted midget.

Anyway I blame myself I see open sewer being created by the forumer known to have deep inferiority complexes about his intelligence and instead of ignoring it I tried to cover the smell of your desperate attempts to appear insightful. New breed of striker indeed! What a doofus!

Please go get some counseling and stop trying too hard.

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:01 pm

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:32 am

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:10 am

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 am You just described almost every striker that has played for Germany in the last 30 odd years. Klinsmann, Voeller, Bierhoff, Klose, Muller etc. All tall, strong, skilled on the ball and very direct. Italy got wise to the game in 2006 with the addition of Luca Toni(6' 4") and Fabio Grosso(6' 3") who helped them lift the 2006 WC. Brazil also had Adriano and Luis Fabiano (both over 6 feet) who helped them lift a couple of Copa Americas in the early aughts. Argentina had Batigol and Crespo, also both 6 footers. Other notable mentions are Mandzucic and assorted other Balkan strikers like Dzeko, and other Serbian strikers whose names escape me right now.

So no this is not new

I do not think you know what you are talking about...

Klinsmann, Voeller, Klose, Mueller, Adriano, Bati... Jeeze....That is WIDE off the mark!

Fabio Grosso is a left back bro...

Anyways, thanks and goodbye

I KNOW you don’t think. I have seen multiple instances of it all over this forum, and I am not your “bro” you halitosis afflicted midget.

Anyway I blame myself I see open sewer being created by the forumer known to have deep inferiority complexes about his intelligence and instead of ignoring it I tried to cover the smell of your desperate attempts to appear insightful. New breed of striker indeed! What a doofus!

Please go get some counseling and stop trying too hard.

Fabio Grosso is a left back.

That's how stupid you are!

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:19 pm

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:01 pm

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:32 am

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:10 am

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 am You just described almost every striker that has played for Germany in the last 30 odd years. Klinsmann, Voeller, Bierhoff, Klose, Muller etc. All tall, strong, skilled on the ball and very direct. Italy got wise to the game in 2006 with the addition of Luca Toni(6' 4") and Fabio Grosso(6' 3") who helped them lift the 2006 WC. Brazil also had Adriano and Luis Fabiano (both over 6 feet) who helped them lift a couple of Copa Americas in the early aughts. Argentina had Batigol and Crespo, also both 6 footers. Other notable mentions are Mandzucic and assorted other Balkan strikers like Dzeko, and other Serbian strikers whose names escape me right now.

So no this is not new

I do not think you know what you are talking about...

Klinsmann, Voeller, Klose, Mueller, Adriano, Bati... Jeeze....That is WIDE off the mark!

Fabio Grosso is a left back bro...

Anyways, thanks and goodbye

I KNOW you don’t think. I have seen multiple instances of it all over this forum, and I am not your “bro” you halitosis afflicted midget.

Anyway I blame myself I see open sewer being created by the forumer known to have deep inferiority complexes about his intelligence and instead of ignoring it I tried to cover the smell of your desperate attempts to appear insightful. New breed of striker indeed! What a doofus!

Please go get some counseling and stop trying too hard.

Fabio Grosso is a left back.

That's how stupid you are!

Course he is. I have forgotten more football than you ever knew, you room clearing halitosis infested troll. You are the stupidest member of this forum, bar none. I am working on a cyber prize for you.

Now go get some counseling for your deep inferiority complexes. If money is the issue, we can take up a collection.

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:24 pm

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 3:19 pm

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:01 pm

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:32 am

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:10 am

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 am You just described almost every striker that has played for Germany in the last 30 odd years. Klinsmann, Voeller, Bierhoff, Klose, Muller etc. All tall, strong, skilled on the ball and very direct. Italy got wise to the game in 2006 with the addition of Luca Toni(6' 4") and Fabio Grosso(6' 3") who helped them lift the 2006 WC. Brazil also had Adriano and Luis Fabiano (both over 6 feet) who helped them lift a couple of Copa Americas in the early aughts. Argentina had Batigol and Crespo, also both 6 footers. Other notable mentions are Mandzucic and assorted other Balkan strikers like Dzeko, and other Serbian strikers whose names escape me right now.

So no this is not new

I do not think you know what you are talking about...

Klinsmann, Voeller, Klose, Mueller, Adriano, Bati... Jeeze....That is WIDE off the mark!

Fabio Grosso is a left back bro...

Anyways, thanks and goodbye

I KNOW you don’t think. I have seen multiple instances of it all over this forum, and I am not your “bro” you halitosis afflicted midget.

Anyway I blame myself I see open sewer being created by the forumer known to have deep inferiority complexes about his intelligence and instead of ignoring it I tried to cover the smell of your desperate attempts to appear insightful. New breed of striker indeed! What a doofus!

Please go get some counseling and stop trying too hard.

Fabio Grosso is a left back.

That's how stupid you are!

Course he is. I have forgotten more football than you ever knew, you room clearing halitosis infested troll. You are the stupidest member of this forum, bar none. I am working on a cyber prize for you.

Now go get some counseling for your deep inferiority complexes. If money is the issue, we can take up a collection.

You have some serious problems. And I have no interest in it or in you.
Goodbye...

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:40 pm Expanding on my op:

Its not that we have never seen powerful strikers before in football. No.

The English game has long made a history of the big, burly striker waiting for his teammates to 'put it in the mixer'...

Furthermore, as many have noted in the past, nothing is truly new in football. Just the cyclical movement of history and the adaptation of such to a new era...

But the key difference her is often about speed, technique and flexibility.

Flexibility that allows such big men to be involved in the build up stage of the modern passing game, and yet retain the power of the 'big burly' of old.

Where a Horst Hrubesch, Bierhoff, Luca Toni or Andy Caroll had power and hold up play ability, their game was never defined by flexibility in technique and movement, as well as speed, to be a component of the build up play, and never finished as part of the 'arrival' 2nd wave of attacking players.

You see this trend especially in Haaland by observing his heatmap. Ditto for Mbappe, esp wrt his speed and the rapidity of his turns when he drifts backwards, then spins on the turn for a thru ball in the middle, as we saw with his goal over the weekend, for instance...

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:40 pm Expanding on my op:

Its not that we have never seen powerful strikers before in football. No.

The English game has long made a history of the big, burly striker waiting for his teammates to 'put it in the mixer'...

Furthermore, as many have noted in the past, nothing is truly new in football. Just the cyclical movement of history and the adaptation of such to a new era...

But the key difference her is often about speed, technique and flexibility.

Flexibility that allows such big men to be involved in the build up stage of the modern passing game, and yet retain the power of the 'big burly' of old.

Where a Horst Hrubesch, Bierhoff, Luca Toni or Andy Caroll had power and hold up play ability, their game was never defined by flexibility in technique and movement, as well as speed, to be a component of the build up play, and never finished as part of the 'arrival' 2nd wave of attacking players.

You see this trend especially in Haaland by observing his heatmap. Ditto for Mbappe, esp wrt his speed and the rapidity of his turns when he drifts backwards, then spins on the turn for a thru ball in the middle, as we saw with his goal over the weekend, for instance...

green4life wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 7:08 pm

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 4:40 pm Expanding on my op:

Its not that we have never seen powerful strikers before in football. No.

The English game has long made a history of the big, burly striker waiting for his teammates to 'put it in the mixer'...

Furthermore, as many have noted in the past, nothing is truly new in football. Just the cyclical movement of history and the adaptation of such to a new era...

But the key difference her is often about speed, technique and flexibility.

Flexibility that allows such big men to be involved in the build up stage of the modern passing game, and yet retain the power of the 'big burly' of old.

Where a Horst Hrubesch, Bierhoff, Luca Toni or Andy Caroll had power and hold up play ability, their game was never defined by flexibility in technique and movement, as well as speed, to be a component of the build up play, and never finished as part of the 'arrival' 2nd wave of attacking players.

You see this trend especially in Haaland by observing his heatmap. Ditto for Mbappe, esp wrt his speed and the rapidity of his turns when he drifts backwards, then spins on the turn for a thru ball in the middle, as we saw with his goal over the weekend, for instance...

My brother, this post is at odds with your inclusion of Lukaku as a new Gen striker. The irony is Lukaku's struggle at Chelsea had a lot to do with his inflexibility as a striker - particularly wrt to his poor mobility. Lukaku does have a wealth of attributes but he lacks the willingness to adjust his game fit modern demands.

On the flip side, strikers like Drogba (blast from the past) and today's Harry Kane better fit the description in addition to the others you mentioned except for Lukaku.

txj wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:41 pm By this I refer to central strikers not wide forwards.

Very direct, quick, tall, strong,” is how Van Dijk describes them.

They can play with back to goal. They can receive the ball to feet and play between the lines.

But the key is the combination of power and technique.

I'm talking about the likes of:
- Haaland
- Darwnin Nunez

And, yes- Victor Oshimen.

Although it should be said, Lukaku did exemplify this, perhaps more than most, but was sadly never well used until late in his career on moving to Italy.

IMO the Nigerian is constrained a little bit by the quality of his early development ( a tiny bit like Lukaku), particularly in Germany, especially with regard to movement and spatial awareness. Although its also a +ive factor in some of his spontaneity.

But he's coming on in leaps at Napoli and with some of the transfers by Napoli- Kavratshelia, Oliveira, should grow even more in the next season, with a better mix of youth and experience in the team.

The list also includes Mbappe, who, although different, given he can also be classed as a 'wide forward', which is how he started and has mostly played, but does fit the bill nonetheless.

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 6:32 am

txj wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:10 am

Scipio Africanus wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 12:01 am You just described almost every striker that has played for Germany in the last 30 odd years. Klinsmann, Voeller, Bierhoff, Klose, Muller etc. All tall, strong, skilled on the ball and very direct. Italy got wise to the game in 2006 with the addition of Luca Toni(6' 4") and Fabio Grosso(6' 3") who helped them lift the 2006 WC. Brazil also had Adriano and Luis Fabiano (both over 6 feet) who helped them lift a couple of Copa Americas in the early aughts. Argentina had Batigol and Crespo, also both 6 footers. Other notable mentions are Mandzucic and assorted other Balkan strikers like Dzeko, and other Serbian strikers whose names escape me right now.

So no this is not new

I do not think you know what you are talking about...

Klinsmann, Voeller, Klose, Mueller, Adriano, Bati... Jeeze....That is WIDE off the mark!

Fabio Grosso is a left back bro...

Anyways, thanks and goodbye

I KNOW you don’t think. I have seen multiple instances of it all over this forum, and I am not your “bro” you halitosis afflicted midget.

Anyway I blame myself I see open sewer being created by the forumer known to have deep inferiority complexes about his intelligence and instead of ignoring it I tried to cover the smell of your desperate attempts to appear insightful. New breed of striker indeed! What a doofus!

Please go get some counseling and stop trying too hard.

The YeyeMan wrote: ↑Mon Jun 13, 2022 11:45 pm

txj wrote: ↑Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:41 pm By this I refer to central strikers not wide forwards.

Very direct, quick, tall, strong,” is how Van Dijk describes them.

They can play with back to goal. They can receive the ball to feet and play between the lines.

But the key is the combination of power and technique.

I'm talking about the likes of:
- Haaland
- Darwnin Nunez

And, yes- Victor Oshimen.

Although it should be said, Lukaku did exemplify this, perhaps more than most, but was sadly never well used until late in his career on moving to Italy.

IMO the Nigerian is constrained a little bit by the quality of his early development ( a tiny bit like Lukaku), particularly in Germany, especially with regard to movement and spatial awareness. Although its also a +ive factor in some of his spontaneity.

But he's coming on in leaps at Napoli and with some of the transfers by Napoli- Kavratshelia, Oliveira, should grow even more in the next season, with a better mix of youth and experience in the team.

The list also includes Mbappe, who, although different, given he can also be classed as a 'wide forward', which is how he started and has mostly played, but does fit the bill nonetheless.

It's interesting that City and Liverpool have turned to this type of forward. It'll be fascinating to see how they both settle in. Haaland will be expected to make a difference in the latter stages of the CL; City scored 99 PL goals last season so he's not come to close a goalscoring deficit. Nuñez at Liverpool will be very interesting.