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mcal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:08 am ...this kid let them get to him, after all he is not the only black player on the field.
Racism can be psychological, one need to develop thick skin to fend them off.
It may not be easy, but it works.
It's often a fall back for losers.

What a totally stupid and unsensible take. No, he is not required to ignore racism. That only emboldens racism. He should not even have to call it out but instead the Spanish FA and the match officials should be the ones addressing and punishing it severely. And it is their dereliction o duty that makes it necessary for Vinicius to fight for himself.

And saying that he is not the only black player on the field is as stupid as saying a rape victim is not the only woman in the vicinity. Who gives a damn how many potential victims were around but not targeted. Do you also say that nonsense when burglars target a specific house in a neighborhood?

Honestly dude, you are part of the problem of racism with this severely daft take. :oops: :oops:
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txj wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 7:37 pmYou said exactly that it is his fault for not having a thick skin...
It is his fault for being hurt and visibly upset at being racially insulted, rather than have a thick skin.

I mean, its hard to fathom the logic behind this...

His comments are a total disgrace. And I have seen similar comments on Twitter from racist Caucasians trying to put the blame on Vini by asking, "Is he the only black player on the field?" A very obtuse and dumb question.
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mcal wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:27 pm...oh well.

Never let them get to you, because if they do, they know your weakness. Again how many people were punished in that stadium that day? Only one, a player was ejected, and will also pay with money/fine.

An antiperspirant commercial back in the 1980s go like this "never let them see you sweat"
Then Denver broncos coach made it popular.

Now that his red card has been cancelled and those actually responsible are now being punished, do you see how intensely stupid and dumb your take on this issue is? Are you going to double down on foolishness?
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theDunamis wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 1:38 am
mcal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:08 am ...this kid let them get to him, after all he is not the only black player on the field.
Racism can be psychological, one need to develop thick skin to fend them off.
It may not be easy, but it works.
It's often a fall back for losers.

What a totally stupid and unsensible take. No, he is not required to ignore racism. That only emboldens racism. He should not even have to call it out but instead the Spanish FA and the match officials should be the ones addressing and punishing it severely. And it is their dereliction o duty that makes it necessary for Vinicius to fight for himself.

And saying that he is not the only black player on the field is as stupid as saying a rape victim is not the only woman in the vicinity. Who gives a damn how many potential victims were around but not targeted. Do you also say that nonsense when burglars target a specific house in a neighborhood?

Honestly dude, you are part of the problem of racism with this severely daft take. :oops: :oops:
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theDunamis wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 1:46 am
mcal wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:27 pm...oh well.

Never let them get to you, because if they do, they know your weakness. Again how many people were punished in that stadium that day? Only one, a player was ejected, and will also pay with money/fine.

An antiperspirant commercial back in the 1980s go like this "never let them see you sweat"
Then Denver broncos coach made it popular.

Now that his red card has been cancelled and those actually responsible are not being punished, do you see how intensely stupid and dumb your take on this issue is? Are you going to double down on foolishness?
...why?
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mcal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 2:40 am
theDunamis wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 1:46 am
mcal wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:27 pm...oh well.

Never let them get to you, because if they do, they know your weakness. Again how many people were punished in that stadium that day? Only one, a player was ejected, and will also pay with money/fine.

An antiperspirant commercial back in the 1980s go like this "never let them see you sweat"
Then Denver broncos coach made it popular.

Now that his red card has been cancelled and those actually responsible are not being punished, do you see how intensely stupid and dumb your take on this issue is? Are you going to double down on foolishness?
...why?


That was a typo. The word there should be "now" instead of "not". I have gone ahead to edit and fix my post above.
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mcal wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 9:31 pm
Sleaky72 wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 3:03 am
mcal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:08 am ...this kid let them get to him, after all he is not the only black player on the field.
Racism can be psychological, one need to develop thick skin to fend them off.
It may not be easy, but it works.
It's often a fall back for losers.
MCAL, you’re a decent fella.
Please rethink your stance here.
The persons to blame are the racist swine.
People react differently to things.
The onus to change is on the perp …
...not blaming the player any way.
My stance remains, don't let them get to you.
Is he gonna fight thousands of them?
Now that it has gone this far at least for him, he need to leave the country.
Bros, you are suggesting to fight the smoke and not the fire
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mcal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 6:50 pm
iworo wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 6:14 pm
mcal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 5:01 pm
txj wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 4:05 pm
mcal wrote: Mon May 22, 2023 11:08 am ...this kid let them get to him, after all he is not the only black player on the field.
Racism can be psychological, one need to develop thick skin to fend them off.
It may not be easy, but it works.
It's often a fall back for losers.




In other words, it is his fault! For not developing a thick skin...

You are unbelievable...
...you right, you don't have to believe me.
Learn to snub a racist, don't let them cause you to lose your marbles.
You’re wrong bro :mad:. There comes a time and a place where someone has to stand up to these racist losers and make sure they are held accountable. Talk about challenging the status quo! Give the guy some respect dude!
..."time and place"? where is the time and a place?
He reacted in public, see what it got him. Ejection and a cut in pay I assume.
Ignore ignore, he is not the only player on the field.
To punish a racist, or the racists in this case, put the ball in the net, multiple times will do.

Vinicius Jr: Valencia fined and sanctioned with partial stadium closure for five matches

Valencia have been sanctioned with a partial stadium closure for five matches following the racist abuse of Real Madrid forward Vinicius Jr.

Spanish police have detained three people in connection with the abuse directed at the Brazilian at Mestalla Stadium on Sunday.

Valencia have also been fined 45,000 euros (£39,000).

Vinicius' late red card has been rescinded, meaning he will not have to serve a suspension.

Valencia called the decision to partially close their stadium "disproportionate, unjust and unprecedented" and said they intend to appeal against that part of the sanction.

"Valencia have collaborated from the first minute with the police and all relevant authorities to clarify the events that occurred," a statement from the club read.

"In addition, we have applied the maximum possible sanction with the ban for life from our stadium for racist behaviour of the fans identified by police."

The closure will apply to the Mestalla Stadium's south stand, an area a clearly angry and emotional Vinicius was seen pointing to during Sunday's second half before reporting the issue to the referee.

He was sent off in the 97th minute of the 1-0 defeat, but with the red card now overturned, will be available for Wednesday's game against Real Vallecano if he recovers from a knee injury that forced him to miss training on Tuesday.

Vinicius was dismissed following a video assistant referee (VAR) check for pushing Valencia forward Hugo Duro to the floor. However, the footage the VAR showed the on-field referee did not include the part where Duro grabbed the Brazilian around the neck before the incident, which is also a red card offence.

The Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) said that the referee's decision to dismiss Vinicius was due to him being "deprived of a decisive part of the facts", adding that it was "impossible for him to properly assess what happened".

Explaining the partial stadium closure, the RFEF added: "It is considered proven that, as reflected by the referee in his minutes, there were racist shouts at Vinicius, altering the normal course of the match and considering the infractions very serious."

The match was paused in the second half as an incensed Vinicius reported opposition fans to the referee.

Real have reported the abuse to the Spanish prosecutor's office as a hate crime.

A number of Brazilians protested outside the Spanish consulate on Tuesday. Spanish government spokeswoman Isabel Rodriguez said: "Spain is fighting this behaviour. We condemn it and we are working to eradicate it."

Real Madrid manager Carlo Ancelotti said Brazilian Vinicius is "very sad" but overwhelmed by the support he has received and believes he will stay in Spain despite the abuse.

"His love for the club is very big and he wants to make his career here," said Ancelotti.

La Liga teams make stand against racism

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Barcelona player Raphinha revealed a shirt showing solidarity with Vinicius Jr as he was substituted off during a match on Tuesday night

Vinicius has been the target of racist abuse multiple times this season and, following the latest incident, has received support from the footballing world.

And there has been widespread condemnation of how the incident has been handled, including from the Brazilian government.

Before Tuesday night's games between Real Valladolid and Barcelona, and Celta Vigo and Girona, players and match officials stood behind banners which read "Racism, out of football".

Barcelona winger Raphinha revealed a message of support for his compatriot in the second half when he was substituted.

The daughter of Brazil legend Pele also urged football's governing bodies to take tougher measures against racism.

"Spain should be ashamed. La Liga should be ashamed. Real Madrid should be ashamed that they're not putting their foot down and standing up for him," Kelly Cristina Nascimento wrote on Instagram.

"How much more powerful if my father's legacy was not a stadium, but a movement, a law, a tangible action that fights racism, that makes it so a Vini Junior today does not have to go through what my father went through in 1958."

La Liga has said it will request "more sanctioning powers" so it can punish incidents of racism.

The league was criticised heavily following a post-match row on Twitter involving its president Javier Tebas.

It happened after Vinicius said La Liga "belongs to racists" and "in Brazil, Spain is known as a country of racists".

Tebas responded by saying Vinicius twice did not turn up for a meeting to discuss what it "can do in cases of racism", adding: "Before you criticise and slander La Liga, you need to inform yourself properly."

Fifa president Gianni Infantino previously said a three-step process needed to be used across football to deal with incidents of racism in matches - stopping the game, then re-stopping it, and then abandoning the match.

However, Jonas Baer-Hoffman, the general secretary of world players' union Fifpro, said such a process had "repeatedly failed".

"It has shown that the referees are either not well-trained and have the capacity to execute it properly," Baer-Hoffman told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"The amount of times players get yellow cards, red cards for showing their emotions when they are saying what is happening to them and being punished shows that this protocol has failed.

"We have repeatedly pointed this out and called on the organisations to bring in a new process, led by those who actually have lived experiences to change that protocol."

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Real Valladolid and Barcelona players hold up an anti-racism banner, which translates as "Racists, out of football"

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65691729
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iworo wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 1:07 pm

Vinicius Jr: Valencia fined and sanctioned with partial stadium closure for five matches

Valencia have been sanctioned with a partial stadium closure for five matches following the racist abuse of Real Madrid forward Vinicius Jr.

Spanish police have detained three people in connection with the abuse directed at the Brazilian at Mestalla Stadium on Sunday.

Valencia have also been fined 45,000 euros (£39,000).

Vinicius' late red card has been rescinded, meaning he will not have to serve a suspension.

Valencia called the decision to partially close their stadium "disproportionate, unjust and unprecedented" and said they intend to appeal against that part of the sanction.

"Valencia have collaborated from the first minute with the police and all relevant authorities to clarify the events that occurred," a statement from the club read.

"In addition, we have applied the maximum possible sanction with the ban for life from our stadium for racist behaviour of the fans identified by police."

The closure will apply to the Mestalla Stadium's south stand, an area a clearly angry and emotional Vinicius was seen pointing to during Sunday's second half before reporting the issue to the referee.

He was sent off in the 97th minute of the 1-0 defeat, but with the red card now overturned, will be available for Wednesday's game against Real Vallecano if he recovers from a knee injury that forced him to miss training on Tuesday.

Vinicius was dismissed following a video assistant referee (VAR) check for pushing Valencia forward Hugo Duro to the floor. However, the footage the VAR showed the on-field referee did not include the part where Duro grabbed the Brazilian around the neck before the incident, which is also a red card offence.

The Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) said that the referee's decision to dismiss Vinicius was due to him being "deprived of a decisive part of the facts", adding that it was "impossible for him to properly assess what happened".

Explaining the partial stadium closure, the RFEF added: "It is considered proven that, as reflected by the referee in his minutes, there were racist shouts at Vinicius, altering the normal course of the match and considering the infractions very serious."

The match was paused in the second half as an incensed Vinicius reported opposition fans to the referee.

Real have reported the abuse to the Spanish prosecutor's office as a hate crime.

A number of Brazilians protested outside the Spanish consulate on Tuesday. Spanish government spokeswoman Isabel Rodriguez said: "Spain is fighting this behaviour. We condemn it and we are working to eradicate it."

Real Madrid manager Carlo Ancelotti said Brazilian Vinicius is "very sad" but overwhelmed by the support he has received and believes he will stay in Spain despite the abuse.

"His love for the club is very big and he wants to make his career here," said Ancelotti.

La Liga teams make stand against racism

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Barcelona player Raphinha revealed a shirt showing solidarity with Vinicius Jr as he was substituted off during a match on Tuesday night

Vinicius has been the target of racist abuse multiple times this season and, following the latest incident, has received support from the footballing world.

And there has been widespread condemnation of how the incident has been handled, including from the Brazilian government.

Before Tuesday night's games between Real Valladolid and Barcelona, and Celta Vigo and Girona, players and match officials stood behind banners which read "Racism, out of football".

Barcelona winger Raphinha revealed a message of support for his compatriot in the second half when he was substituted.

The daughter of Brazil legend Pele also urged football's governing bodies to take tougher measures against racism.

"Spain should be ashamed. La Liga should be ashamed. Real Madrid should be ashamed that they're not putting their foot down and standing up for him," Kelly Cristina Nascimento wrote on Instagram.

"How much more powerful if my father's legacy was not a stadium, but a movement, a law, a tangible action that fights racism, that makes it so a Vini Junior today does not have to go through what my father went through in 1958."

La Liga has said it will request "more sanctioning powers" so it can punish incidents of racism.

The league was criticised heavily following a post-match row on Twitter involving its president Javier Tebas.

It happened after Vinicius said La Liga "belongs to racists" and "in Brazil, Spain is known as a country of racists".

Tebas responded by saying Vinicius twice did not turn up for a meeting to discuss what it "can do in cases of racism", adding: "Before you criticise and slander La Liga, you need to inform yourself properly."

Fifa president Gianni Infantino previously said a three-step process needed to be used across football to deal with incidents of racism in matches - stopping the game, then re-stopping it, and then abandoning the match.

However, Jonas Baer-Hoffman, the general secretary of world players' union Fifpro, said such a process had "repeatedly failed".

"It has shown that the referees are either not well-trained and have the capacity to execute it properly," Baer-Hoffman told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"The amount of times players get yellow cards, red cards for showing their emotions when they are saying what is happening to them and being punished shows that this protocol has failed.

"We have repeatedly pointed this out and called on the organisations to bring in a new process, led by those who actually have lived experiences to change that protocol."

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Real Valladolid and Barcelona players hold up an anti-racism banner, which translates as "Racists, out of football"

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65691729
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mcal wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 1:38 pm
iworo wrote: Wed May 24, 2023 1:07 pm

Vinicius Jr: Valencia fined and sanctioned with partial stadium closure for five matches

Valencia have been sanctioned with a partial stadium closure for five matches following the racist abuse of Real Madrid forward Vinicius Jr.

Spanish police have detained three people in connection with the abuse directed at the Brazilian at Mestalla Stadium on Sunday.

Valencia have also been fined 45,000 euros (£39,000).

Vinicius' late red card has been rescinded, meaning he will not have to serve a suspension.

Valencia called the decision to partially close their stadium "disproportionate, unjust and unprecedented" and said they intend to appeal against that part of the sanction.

"Valencia have collaborated from the first minute with the police and all relevant authorities to clarify the events that occurred," a statement from the club read.

"In addition, we have applied the maximum possible sanction with the ban for life from our stadium for racist behaviour of the fans identified by police."

The closure will apply to the Mestalla Stadium's south stand, an area a clearly angry and emotional Vinicius was seen pointing to during Sunday's second half before reporting the issue to the referee.

He was sent off in the 97th minute of the 1-0 defeat, but with the red card now overturned, will be available for Wednesday's game against Real Vallecano if he recovers from a knee injury that forced him to miss training on Tuesday.

Vinicius was dismissed following a video assistant referee (VAR) check for pushing Valencia forward Hugo Duro to the floor. However, the footage the VAR showed the on-field referee did not include the part where Duro grabbed the Brazilian around the neck before the incident, which is also a red card offence.

The Spanish Football Federation (RFEF) said that the referee's decision to dismiss Vinicius was due to him being "deprived of a decisive part of the facts", adding that it was "impossible for him to properly assess what happened".

Explaining the partial stadium closure, the RFEF added: "It is considered proven that, as reflected by the referee in his minutes, there were racist shouts at Vinicius, altering the normal course of the match and considering the infractions very serious."

The match was paused in the second half as an incensed Vinicius reported opposition fans to the referee.

Real have reported the abuse to the Spanish prosecutor's office as a hate crime.

A number of Brazilians protested outside the Spanish consulate on Tuesday. Spanish government spokeswoman Isabel Rodriguez said: "Spain is fighting this behaviour. We condemn it and we are working to eradicate it."

Real Madrid manager Carlo Ancelotti said Brazilian Vinicius is "very sad" but overwhelmed by the support he has received and believes he will stay in Spain despite the abuse.

"His love for the club is very big and he wants to make his career here," said Ancelotti.

La Liga teams make stand against racism

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Barcelona player Raphinha revealed a shirt showing solidarity with Vinicius Jr as he was substituted off during a match on Tuesday night

Vinicius has been the target of racist abuse multiple times this season and, following the latest incident, has received support from the footballing world.

And there has been widespread condemnation of how the incident has been handled, including from the Brazilian government.

Before Tuesday night's games between Real Valladolid and Barcelona, and Celta Vigo and Girona, players and match officials stood behind banners which read "Racism, out of football".

Barcelona winger Raphinha revealed a message of support for his compatriot in the second half when he was substituted.

The daughter of Brazil legend Pele also urged football's governing bodies to take tougher measures against racism.

"Spain should be ashamed. La Liga should be ashamed. Real Madrid should be ashamed that they're not putting their foot down and standing up for him," Kelly Cristina Nascimento wrote on Instagram.

"How much more powerful if my father's legacy was not a stadium, but a movement, a law, a tangible action that fights racism, that makes it so a Vini Junior today does not have to go through what my father went through in 1958."

La Liga has said it will request "more sanctioning powers" so it can punish incidents of racism.

The league was criticised heavily following a post-match row on Twitter involving its president Javier Tebas.

It happened after Vinicius said La Liga "belongs to racists" and "in Brazil, Spain is known as a country of racists".

Tebas responded by saying Vinicius twice did not turn up for a meeting to discuss what it "can do in cases of racism", adding: "Before you criticise and slander La Liga, you need to inform yourself properly."

Fifa president Gianni Infantino previously said a three-step process needed to be used across football to deal with incidents of racism in matches - stopping the game, then re-stopping it, and then abandoning the match.

However, Jonas Baer-Hoffman, the general secretary of world players' union Fifpro, said such a process had "repeatedly failed".

"It has shown that the referees are either not well-trained and have the capacity to execute it properly," Baer-Hoffman told BBC Radio 5 Live.

"The amount of times players get yellow cards, red cards for showing their emotions when they are saying what is happening to them and being punished shows that this protocol has failed.

"We have repeatedly pointed this out and called on the organisations to bring in a new process, led by those who actually have lived experiences to change that protocol."

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Real Valladolid and Barcelona players hold up an anti-racism banner, which translates as "Racists, out of football"

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/65691729
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How many times will these banners be out there? Until Africa gets a good foothold of the global socioeconomic power, Africans (wherever they are) the probability of being subjected to racism won’t change.
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scholl wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 4:06 pm
How many times will these banners be out there? Until Africa gets a good foothold of the global socioeconomic power, Africans (wherever they are) the probability of being subjected to racism won’t change.
More like until players - primarily black players - are united in walking out of games when racist incidents are not immediately addressed the probability of being subjected to racism won’t change.

Until the games are stopped, suspended or cancelled with points awarded in favor of the victimized players team, nothing will change. Hit them where it hurts in Europe ... Meanwhile good luck waiting for Africa to get "a good foothold of the global socioeconomic power".
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green4life wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:43 pm
scholl wrote: Tue May 30, 2023 4:06 pm
How many times will these banners be out there? Until Africa gets a good foothold of the global socioeconomic power, Africans (wherever they are) the probability of being subjected to racism won’t change.
More like until players - primarily black players - are united in walking out of games when racist incidents are not immediately addressed the probability of being subjected to racism won’t change.

Until the games are stopped, suspended or cancelled with points awarded in favor of the victimized players team, nothing will change. Hit them where it hurts in Europe ... Meanwhile good luck waiting for Africa to get "a good foothold of the global socioeconomic power".
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highbury wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 6:05 am That's the problem with blacks in general: you will always get one or two who will chose to blame the victim when the evidence is there to be seen just because they want to be different. Why can't they be different for a good cause?
As much as I don't follow or agree with mcal's stance, I also find fault with yours here with generalisation of blacks, but yet you go ahead to say "one or two will choose to blame the victim"

Seems contradictory because "one or two" blacks dont fit into your problem with "blacks in general"

Happy to get your thoughts

On the general point, I teach my son to fight back when bullied in school, not necessarily with the fist, unless he was struck first, but to let people know that he will not be pushed around
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