Jurgen Klopp to Leave Liverpool End of Season

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Klopp had a good impact at Liverpool. However, trying to compare his tenure there to what Ferguson and Wenger did at Manchester United and Arsenal is ridiculous. Both of them turned around sinking cruise liners.

Klopp is a blip compared to them. Keep in mind that Liverpool reached 2 Champions League finals and nearly won the Premier League just before Klopp arrived. Not as if they were flirting with relegation like Manchester United were when Ferguson arrived.

txj wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:35 pm Not sure you get the analogy here. Its not how long or how many titles won. Its the overall impact- the true depth of the impact that is being measured...


wiseone wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:13 pm It is big news, but please do not exaggerate. Ferguson was at Manchester United for 27 years and Wenger was at Arsenal for 22 years. Klopp has been at Liverpool for 8.5 years during which time he won a grand total of ONE Premier League title. Ferguson won 13 Premier League titles. When Ferguson took over at Manchester United, Klopp was a 19yo boy.
anointed wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:46 am That's one big news, like Air Alex leaving Man Utd and Arsene Wenger departing from Arsenal

Says he's running out of energy

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/jurgen ... -liverpool
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Klopp's impact is not even at the level of Mourinho's at Chelsea or Pep at City. Like Sir Alex and Wenger, these other two men transformed their respective clubs. Not just winning aggressively, but transforming the culture of the club -- whereby the culture remains, even after they have left (Mourinho) and will leave (Pep).
wiseone wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:06 am Klopp had a food impact at Liverpool. However, trying to compare it to what Ferguson and Wenger did at Manchester United and Arsenal is ridiculous. Both of them turned around sinking cruise liners.

Klopp is a blip compared to them. Keep in mind that Liverpool reached 2 Champions League finals and nearly won the Premier League just before Klopp arrived. Not as if they were flirting with relegation like Manchester United were when Ferguson arrived.

txj wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:35 pm Not sure you get the analogy here. Its not how long or how many titles won. Its the overall impact- the true depth of the impact that is being measured...


wiseone wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:13 pm It is big news, but please do not exaggerate. Ferguson was at Manchester United for 27 years and Wenger was at Arsenal for 22 years. Klopp has been at Liverpool for 8.5 years during which time he won a grand total of ONE Premier League title. Ferguson won 13 Premier League titles. When Ferguson took over at Manchester United, Klopp was a 19yo boy.
anointed wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:46 am That's one big news, like Air Alex leaving Man Utd and Arsene Wenger departing from Arsenal

Says he's running out of energy

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/jurgen ... -liverpool
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If you really want to know about Klopp's impact then ask Liverpool fans. A manager who won every single trophy and in a shorter time frame than Fergie, Wenger, Pep, and Mourinho.

So ask Liverpool fans about his impact. Or ask no-nothing hacks.
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Is it the presumed “anti-African” sentiment that has Klopp’s tenure downplayed? Yes, Liverpool were a sight to behold under Rodgers for the briefest of moments, from an untainted perspective, it’s incomparable to what JK not Rowling has achieved. 3 Champions League finals (Ferguson 4), if not mistaken, Sevilla have wiped them in the Europa league final too. Klopp returned Liverpool to their gladiator status. In an era of big cash, this is no small feat.

Granted Fergie may be the godfather of all things football, but Man United were amongst the biggest brands on Earth in his prime. More cash than a state senator’s hand luggage.

Liverpool legend. Game changer? Absolutely. Gegenpress was the term used for Hansel’s fondling of Gretel at Glastonbury up until Klopp docked and brought Aerosmith to Anfield. Will be interesting to see where Liverpool go from here. Think a fair few head to the desert.
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Coach wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 2:02 pm Is it the presumed “anti-African” sentiment that has Klopp’s tenure downplayed? Yes, Liverpool were a sight to behold under Rodgers for the briefest of moments, from an untainted perspective, it’s incomparable to what JK not Rowling has achieved. 3 Champions League finals (Ferguson 4), if not mistaken, Sevilla have wiped them in the Europa league final too. Klopp returned Liverpool to their gladiator status. In an era of big cash, this is no small feat.

Granted Fergie may be the godfather of all things football, but Man United were amongst the biggest brands on Earth in his prime. More cash than a state senator’s hand luggage.

Liverpool legend. Game changer? Absolutely. Gegenpress was the term used for Hansel’s fondling of Gretel at Glastonbury up until Klopp docked and brought Aerosmith to Anfield. Will be interesting to see where Liverpool go from here. Think a fair few head to the desert.


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The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:01 pm If you really want to know about Klopp's impact then ask Liverpool fans. A manager who won every single trophy and in a shorter time frame than Fergie, Wenger, Pep, and Mourinho.

So ask Liverpool fans about his impact. Or ask no-nothing hacks.
Thats not how it works.

- Non-United fans speak about Fergie at United,
- Non-Arsenal fans speak about Wenger at Arsenal,
- Non-Chelsea fans speak about Mourinho at Chelsea,
- Non-City fans speak about Pep at City.

That is how you know and recognize legacy. He did a good job at Liverpool, but he has not created a legacy. 1 title in 8 year (soon 9) is embarrassing. Ranieri did the same for Leicester.

I will say Klopp has the same legacy at Liverpool as Poch has at Tottenham - a good tenure and loved by the fans. No domination and nothing lasting. The next manager will show up and implement something different.
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wiseone wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 1:06 am Klopp had a good impact at Liverpool. However, trying to compare his tenure there to what Ferguson and Wenger did at Manchester United and Arsenal is ridiculous. Both of them turned around sinking cruise liners.

Klopp is a blip compared to them. Keep in mind that Liverpool reached 2 Champions League finals and nearly won the Premier League just before Klopp arrived. Not as if they were flirting with relegation like Manchester United were when Ferguson arrived.

txj wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:35 pm Not sure you get the analogy here. Its not how long or how many titles won. Its the overall impact- the true depth of the impact that is being measured...


wiseone wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 2:13 pm It is big news, but please do not exaggerate. Ferguson was at Manchester United for 27 years and Wenger was at Arsenal for 22 years. Klopp has been at Liverpool for 8.5 years during which time he won a grand total of ONE Premier League title. Ferguson won 13 Premier League titles. When Ferguson took over at Manchester United, Klopp was a 19yo boy.
anointed wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 11:46 am That's one big news, like Air Alex leaving Man Utd and Arsene Wenger departing from Arsenal

Says he's running out of energy

https://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/jurgen ... -liverpool
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danfo driver wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:39 pm
The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:01 pm If you really want to know about Klopp's impact then ask Liverpool fans. A manager who won every single trophy and in a shorter time frame than Fergie, Wenger, Pep, and Mourinho.

So ask Liverpool fans about his impact. Or ask no-nothing hacks.
Thats not how it works.

- Non-United fans speak about Fergie at United,
- Non-Arsenal fans speak about Wenger at Arsenal,
- Non-Chelsea fans speak about Mourinho at Chelsea,
- Non-City fans speak about Pep at City.

That is how you know and recognize legacy. He did a good job at Liverpool, but he has not created a legacy. 1 title in 8 year (soon 9) is embarrassing. Ranieri did the same for Leicester.

I will say Klopp has the same legacy at Liverpool as Poch has at Tottenham - a good tenure and loved by the fans. No domination and nothing lasting. The next manager will show up and implement something different.
The above is exactly why I say if one really wants to know about Klopp's legacy at Liverpool then one is better off asking a Liverpool fan.
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The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:02 pm
danfo driver wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:39 pm
The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:01 pm If you really want to know about Klopp's impact then ask Liverpool fans. A manager who won every single trophy and in a shorter time frame than Fergie, Wenger, Pep, and Mourinho.

So ask Liverpool fans about his impact. Or ask no-nothing hacks.
Thats not how it works.

- Non-United fans speak about Fergie at United,
- Non-Arsenal fans speak about Wenger at Arsenal,
- Non-Chelsea fans speak about Mourinho at Chelsea,
- Non-City fans speak about Pep at City.

That is how you know and recognize legacy. He did a good job at Liverpool, but he has not created a legacy. 1 title in 8 year (soon 9) is embarrassing. Ranieri did the same for Leicester.

I will say Klopp has the same legacy at Liverpool as Poch has at Tottenham - a good tenure and loved by the fans. No domination and nothing lasting. The next manager will show up and implement something different.
The above is exactly why I say if one really wants to know about Klopp's legacy at Liverpool then one is better off asking a Liverpool fan.
Thats not how it works.

- Non-United fans speak about Fergie at United,
- Non-Arsenal fans speak about Wenger at Arsenal,
- Non-Chelsea fans speak about Mourinho at Chelsea,
- Non-City fans speak about Pep at City.

His deed doest not transcend past a regional club (yes, thats what Liverpool is), that tells you all you need to know.
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danfo driver wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:18 pm
The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:02 pm
danfo driver wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:39 pm
The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:01 pm If you really want to know about Klopp's impact then ask Liverpool fans. A manager who won every single trophy and in a shorter time frame than Fergie, Wenger, Pep, and Mourinho.

So ask Liverpool fans about his impact. Or ask no-nothing hacks.
Thats not how it works.

- Non-United fans speak about Fergie at United,
- Non-Arsenal fans speak about Wenger at Arsenal,
- Non-Chelsea fans speak about Mourinho at Chelsea,
- Non-City fans speak about Pep at City.

That is how you know and recognize legacy. He did a good job at Liverpool, but he has not created a legacy. 1 title in 8 year (soon 9) is embarrassing. Ranieri did the same for Leicester.

I will say Klopp has the same legacy at Liverpool as Poch has at Tottenham - a good tenure and loved by the fans. No domination and nothing lasting. The next manager will show up and implement something different.
The above is exactly why I say if one really wants to know about Klopp's legacy at Liverpool then one is better off asking a Liverpool fan.
Thats not how it works.

- Non-United fans speak about Fergie at United,
- Non-Arsenal fans speak about Wenger at Arsenal,
- Non-Chelsea fans speak about Mourinho at Chelsea,
- Non-City fans speak about Pep at City.

His deed doest not transcend past a regional club (yes, thats what Liverpool is), that tells you all you need to know.
The highlighted is delusional but carry on.
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The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:24 pm
danfo driver wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 11:18 pm
The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 10:02 pm
danfo driver wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 6:39 pm
The YeyeMan wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 12:01 pm If you really want to know about Klopp's impact then ask Liverpool fans. A manager who won every single trophy and in a shorter time frame than Fergie, Wenger, Pep, and Mourinho.

So ask Liverpool fans about his impact. Or ask no-nothing hacks.
Thats not how it works.

- Non-United fans speak about Fergie at United,
- Non-Arsenal fans speak about Wenger at Arsenal,
- Non-Chelsea fans speak about Mourinho at Chelsea,
- Non-City fans speak about Pep at City.

That is how you know and recognize legacy. He did a good job at Liverpool, but he has not created a legacy. 1 title in 8 year (soon 9) is embarrassing. Ranieri did the same for Leicester.

I will say Klopp has the same legacy at Liverpool as Poch has at Tottenham - a good tenure and loved by the fans. No domination and nothing lasting. The next manager will show up and implement something different.
The above is exactly why I say if one really wants to know about Klopp's legacy at Liverpool then one is better off asking a Liverpool fan.
Thats not how it works.

- Non-United fans speak about Fergie at United,
- Non-Arsenal fans speak about Wenger at Arsenal,
- Non-Chelsea fans speak about Mourinho at Chelsea,
- Non-City fans speak about Pep at City.

His deed doest not transcend past a regional club (yes, thats what Liverpool is), that tells you all you need to know.
The highlighted is delusional but carry on.
It is a fact.
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For those comparing Klopp to Ferguson and Wenger: Klopp is not even one of the best managers in Liverpool history!


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