ON BLESSING KAKU'S AGE AND WORK PERMIT ELIGIBILITY

1naija · Post by **1naija** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:13 pm

Football Manager wrote:
.. Roads, Erikpo Street (formerly Ogbemudia Road the same street where Wilson Oruma’s father owns a two storey building) ...

Football Manager, I fail to see the relevance of this information to Blessing Kaku's true age.

Post by **YUJAM** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:13 pm

FM:
When did Kaku start playing in the Nigerian league? Or when is the first time you saw him play in the league?

Lolly · Post by **Lolly** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:21 pm

Guys,

These are serious allegations and I would hope we have not caused major damage to the guys career. Agents and scouts do visit here and would take such stories serious. Lets show some respect to our boys, things are not easy for them in this climate of free transfers and loans.

txj · Post by **txj** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:22 pm

Once again, FM continues to display either ignorance, or a contempt for what is legally true- the only thing that matters here.
The place to fight age cheats is in the local game, with the NFA insisting on the right documents. And make no mistake about it, THESE DOCUMENTS EXIST.
To come to this forum and make unsubstantiated claims, with moonlight stories of peers and street names is simply put, foolish.
How do we know, for instance, that your allegations are not motivated by sour grapes towards a footballer that he does not manage?
How come these same wild claims are not made towards players he is involved with?

Football Manager · Post by **Football Manager** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:26 pm

1naija wrote:
Football Manager wrote:
.. Roads, Erikpo Street (formerly Ogbemudia Road) ...
Football Manager, I fail to see the relevance of this information to Blessing Kaku's true age.

TXJ wanted proof. I gave some indirect proof. I have edited a part of it that I now feel not relevant and you may want to edit same from your post.

However, if I am tempted to do Odegbami TXJ would have himself to blame.

marsa · Post by **marsa** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:29 pm

Mister Football manager. When Kaku has his injury he was 24.
That's I was refering too OK ?

I'm not a bootlicker and I don't care for momentary benefits.

Marsa

txj · Post by **txj** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:30 pm

If that is what you call proof, I can only say I am sorry....You have simply lost it!

Football Manager wrote:
1naija wrote:
Football Manager wrote:
.. Roads, Erikpo Street (formerly Ogbemudia Road) ...
Football Manager, I fail to see the relevance of this information to Blessing Kaku's true age.
TXJ wanted proof. I gave some indirect proof. I have edited a part of it that I now feel not relevant and you may want to edit same from your post.

However, if I am tempted to do Odegbami TXJ would have himself to blame.

cic old boy · Post by **cic old boy** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:30 pm

Lolly wrote:Guys,

These are serious allegations and I would hope we have not caused major damage to the guys career. Agents and scouts do visit here and would take such stories serious. Lets show some respect to our boys, things are not easy for them in this climate of free transfers and loans.

My brother, I would guess practically everybody in the game knows that we have an issue about age falsification amongst players. They don't need to come here to find that out.

Football Manager · Post by **Football Manager** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:33 pm

txj wrote:Once again, FM continues to display either ignorance, or a contempt for what is legally true- the only thing that matters here.
The place to fight age cheats is in the local game, with the NFA insisting on the right documents. And make no mistake about it, THESE DOCUMENTS EXIST.
To come to this forum and make unsubstantiated claims, with moonlight stories of peers and street names is simply put, foolish.
How do we know, for instance, that your allegations are not motivated by sour grapes towards a footballer that he does not manage?
How come these same wild claims are not made towards players he is involved with?

TXJ, What is right in your eyes? What claims are not unsubstantiated? You rally round someone who knew a player in his last few years. You failed to read very carefully my initial mail to the subject. You came out to attack me.

Do you want our football to progress? What are the objectives of a fan site?

Football Manager · Post by **Football Manager** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:35 pm

txj wrote:If that is what you call proof, I can only say I am sorry....You have simply lost it!

Football Manager wrote:
1naija wrote:
Football Manager wrote:
.. Roads, Erikpo Street (formerly Ogbemudia Road) ...
Football Manager, I fail to see the relevance of this information to Blessing Kaku's true age.
TXJ wanted proof. I gave some indirect proof. I have edited a part of it that I now feel not relevant and you may want to edit same from your post.

However, if I am tempted to do Odegbami TXJ would have himself to blame.

TXJ, I am entitled to keep my proof.

txj · Post by **txj** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:36 pm

Unfortunately you are right. But what unsubstantiated allegations on the forum, such as this does is cast doubts at a player. It generates a whispering campaign that sometimes follow a player all his career, as we repeatedly see with Kanu. And the result is that practically every Nigerian footballer has doubts cast about his age. Why? Because we have folks like FM who are assembly lines for rumors and innuendoes.
I am all for the campaign against age cheats, but this is not how to do it.

cic old boy wrote:
Lolly wrote:Guys,

These are serious allegations and I would hope we have not caused major damage to the guys career. Agents and scouts do visit here and would take such stories serious. Lets show some respect to our boys, things are not easy for them in this climate of free transfers and loans.
My brother, I would guess practically everybody in the game knows that we have an issue about age falsification amongst players. They don't need to come here to find that out.

txj · Post by **txj** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:37 pm

Then keep your allegations too!

Football Manager wrote:
txj wrote:If that is what you call proof, I can only say I am sorry....You have simply lost it!

Football Manager wrote:
1naija wrote:
Football Manager wrote:
.. Roads, Erikpo Street (formerly Ogbemudia Road) ...
Football Manager, I fail to see the relevance of this information to Blessing Kaku's true age.
TXJ wanted proof. I gave some indirect proof. I have edited a part of it that I now feel not relevant and you may want to edit same from your post.

However, if I am tempted to do Odegbami TXJ would have himself to blame.
TXJ, I am entitled to keep my proof.

Post by **SylverEagles** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:41 pm

I find it funny that ppl actually think someone(agent/coach/manager) will come to CE and take the words of faceless, annonymous pseudonyms as sacrosanct to the point where it might "harm" the player's career. Plz, give me an effing break!!! No one will come to CE to verify the age of a player. And even if they do such and the player should know that twas becos of "rumours" on CE that his career was harmed, then he can file action against such manager/agent/club to prove their stance(providing his own consience is clear).

By the way, if it's the CV that was shown here of Kaku that we're talking bout, where he was playing in the top division at 11 yrs old, then........

Let's not be naive here.

txj · Post by **txj** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:41 pm

Let me tell you what is not right:
Moonlight tales about knowing a player or someone who has known a player all his life, as a basis for determining a players age. That is no proof... Its as simple and clear cut as that.

Football Manager wrote:
txj wrote:Once again, FM continues to display either ignorance, or a contempt for what is legally true- the only thing that matters here.
The place to fight age cheats is in the local game, with the NFA insisting on the right documents. And make no mistake about it, THESE DOCUMENTS EXIST.
To come to this forum and make unsubstantiated claims, with moonlight stories of peers and street names is simply put, foolish.
How do we know, for instance, that your allegations are not motivated by sour grapes towards a footballer that he does not manage?
How come these same wild claims are not made towards players he is involved with?
TXJ, What is right in your eyes? What claims are not unsubstantiated? You rally round someone who knew a player in his last few years. You failed to read very carefully my initial mail to the subject. You came out to attack me.

Do you want our football to progress? What are the objectives of a fan site?

Toxicarrow · Post by **Toxicarrow** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:53 pm

While you are at it (attacking Football Manager), take a look at Blessing Kaku's website and resume here:

http://www.pro-organsports.com/ind.htm

If I were to go by the information on his resume, I have every reason to doubt his age and his career's information. Before this site was edited, he claimed that he played for Sooting Stars of Ibadan in the 1996 Champions Cup. I screamed "blue murder" on this site about his "white lie" several months ago. He never played for Sooting stars in the 1996 Champions Cup as he claimed. He was never a Sooting players. Although Sooting stars was quickly taken off his resume (by him or agent whom visits this site), there is a trace of white lie on his resume. He claimed that he scored two goals in the 1996 Champion Cup....How possible is that? He or his agent has replaced Sooting stars with Nationale on his resume. Now it is Nationale from 1994 -1996. Granted he was with Nationale in 1996, then could he have played in the 1996 Champions Cup with Sooting stars and scored two goals as the information on his resume indicated? Think people !

PROFILE OF MR BLESSING KAKU

NAME: Blessing Kaku
DATE OF BIRTH: 5th March, 1978
NATIONALITY: Nigerian (Awaiting Belgian Nationality)
STATUS: Single.
WEIGHT: 76.5 Kg
HEIGHT: 1.80m
POSITION: Defensive or Attacking Midfielder/Stopper

PREVIOUS CLUB:

Calabar Rovers, Cross River State (Pepsi Pro-League Division One,1989-1992).
Sharks FC of Port Harcourt, (Pepsi Pro-League Division One, 1992-1994)
Iwuanyanwu FC of Owerri, (Pepsi Pro-League Division One, !994-1996)
SV Bruamau FC of Austria (Austrian Second Division, 1996/97 season)
Molenbeeke FC of Belgium (Belgium Second Division, 1997-1999)
Harelbeke FC of Belgium (Belgium First Division, 1999/2001)
Genk FC of Belgium (Belgium First Division, 2001/2002)
On loan to Hepeol-Beersheva FC of Israel 2002/2003 - Scored 9 league and 4 FA Cup goals.
On loan to Ashdod FC of Israel from Jan 2004 - June 2004 with 3 league goals in 5 games as at 14th Feb 2004.

CURRENT CLUB:

Ashdod FC of Israel, (Israel First Division).

CONTRACT EXPIRES: 31st May 2004.

ASSETS/STRENGTHS:

Blessing (pictured playing for former club Halrebeke FC of Belgium) has a good vision and excellent ball distribution with good defensive ability. He has good eye for goals. He averages 8 goals per season.

He can play as a stopper in a defensive four formation. An all round player in the mid field and back line. He uses both feet. He has a tireless work rate and can play from box to box.

HONOURS:
2 Senior International Caps
4 Youth International Caps
Member of the Nigeria Olympic Football Squad to Sydney Olympic 2000.
1999/2000 Highest Scoring midfielder in Belgium League
1999/2000 Ebony Award for the Best Foreign Player in The Belgium League.
1996 Pepsi Professional Footballers’ Player of the Year Award.
1996 CAF Champions Cup Quarter Finalist with two goals.
1995 Pepsi Pro-League Division Champions.
1995 and 1996 Imo State FA Cup Champions

SOURCE: http://www.pro-organsports.com/ind.htm

Football Manager · Post by **Football Manager** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:55 pm

cic old boy wrote:
Lolly wrote:Guys,

These are serious allegations and I would hope we have not caused major damage to the guys career. Agents and scouts do visit here and would take such stories serious. Lets show some respect to our boys, things are not easy for them in this climate of free transfers and loans.
My brother, I would guess practically everybody in the game knows that we have an issue about age falsification amongst players. They don't need to come here to find that out.

Thank you CIC.
I have visited many major clubs in Europe and MOST of these managers I have had discussion with are less concern with the ages of these players if these players are exceedingly very good. Normally they start by joking with you how many passports is so so and so player? What is his official age? Interestingly I have heard from a manager in a division one club in mainland Europe who told me about a player of his who told him he never completed secondary school was surprise to receive by post the players Senior School Leaving Certificate by mistake instead of another document requested. The information was very revealing as the date he sat for the SSCE was boldly written. That did not make the manager to cancel the player's contract.

lacidi · Post by **lacidi** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:31 pm

Na wao. So this is how we Nigerian try to kill our own players. FM I know that you are a saint and you have never lied in your life. I also know that you have never given N20 to a Policeman b4 nor have you ever failed to pay your NEPA bills. In fact, I know that you have never done anything wrong intentionally, but please you are neither Belssing's father, brother nor the doctor that delivered him.

Let the guy be. Please. Just let him be.

Football Manager · Post by **Football Manager** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:37 pm

marsa wrote:Mister Football manager. When Kaku has his injury he was 24.
That's I was refering too OK ?

I'm not a bootlicker and I don't care for momentary benefits.

Marsa

I am not attacking you in my write up and will never do so because you gave help to a Nigerian. My comments is not for you but those using your write up to attack me. You did a very good job which is okay. This is a thing we are trying to resolve ourselves.

I have a lot of Belgian friends and was even in Brugge a few days ago for a Birthday Party. What you see us discuss here should not alter your love for Blessing. We are in a transitional state in our development. Many of us is bitter that we have the players to win World Cup consecutively but because many cheat and by so doing the very strong potential where not allowed to grow. I hope you understand my write up and please continue to extend your love towards us Nigeria and Afro-Carribean in general.

Football Manager · Post by **Football Manager** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:47 pm

lacidi wrote:Na wao. So this is how we Nigerian try to kill our own players. FM I know that you are a saint and you have never lied in your life. I also know that you have never given N20 to a Policeman b4 nor have you ever failed to pay your NEPA bills. In fact, I know that you have never done anything wrong intentionally, but please you are neither Belssing's father, brother nor the doctor that delivered him.

Let the guy be. Please. Just let him be.

Have you read any thread where Osaze is not being like by Nigerians? The age cheat MUST stop. It is not given us any long term advantage.

Post by **nanijoe** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:51 pm

Football Manager wrote:
nanijoe wrote:
The future will have no pity for those men who, possessing the exceptional privilege of being able to speak the words of truth, to their oppressors, have taken refuge in an attitude of passivity, mute indifference, and sometimes of cold complicity

Dude,

That quote is not even in context...what point are you trying to make?
It appears you have not read the Holy Bible that is why you are saying it is out of context.

I HAVE read the Bible, and that has even less to do with this...

Football Manager · Post by **Football Manager** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:07 pm

nanijoe wrote:
Football Manager wrote:
nanijoe wrote:
The future will have no pity for those men who, possessing the exceptional privilege of being able to speak the words of truth, to their oppressors, have taken refuge in an attitude of passivity, mute indifference, and sometimes of cold complicity

Dude,

That quote is not even in context...what point are you trying to make?
It appears you have not read the Holy Bible that is why you are saying it is out of context.
I HAVE read the Bible, and that has even less to do with this...

Who did Cane marry if Adam and Eve were the first man and woman on Earth

Africana · Post by **Africana** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:49 pm

cic old boy wrote:My brother, I would guess practically everybody in the game knows that we have an issue about age falsification amongst players. They don't need to come here to find that out.

My friend:

That we have an issue does not mean there is an issue in every case!

In case, I am not clear, that many (or even most) players cheat does not mean that every player cheats or, for that matter, that Blessing Kaku has cheated.

How difficult is that to grasp?

People can hold suspicions based on intelligent deductions, but to come here and spew completely proposterous statements about players' ages, even when these basesless and reckless assertions can damage somebody's career, is another matter altogether.

Africana · Post by **Africana** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 4:54 pm

SylverEagles wrote:I find it funny that ppl actually think someone(agent/coach/manager) will come to CE and take the words of faceless, annonymous pseudonyms as sacrosanct to the point where it might "harm" the player's career. Plz, give me an effing break!!! No one will come to CE to verify the age of a player. And even if they do such and the player should know that twas becos of "rumours" on CE that his career was harmed, then he can file action against such manager/agent/club to prove their stance(providing his own consience is clear).

By the way, if it's the CV that was shown here of Kaku that we're talking bout, where he was playing in the top division at 11 yrs old, then........ Let's not be naive here.

For your information--just in case, you don't already know--this is a public forum and people are free to take away any information they want and do anything with it without consulting SylverEagles and without regard to whther SylverEagle can grasp that or, for that matter, find it "funny."