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Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
Can you imagine? Aside from Abdulahi and Sunday non of our forwards scored or assist thru out the tournament. Nigeria is known for producing top class fowards yet Bo$$0 took overaged junk players like Francis Ayuba. This is on him and to think people here are still making excuses for that bum @$$ coach? Tufia Nigeria is in trouble.vancity eagle wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:08 pmDo you believe that Gambia should beat Nigeria ?TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:04 pmA coach can only pick players that are available to him. Do you believe it is Hervè Renard’s fault that Saudi Arabia couldn’t advance out of the first round of the World CupBigpokey24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:17 pmThe blame falls on the coach , there is no way out of that. If the coach picks players who aren't able to execute his tactics, plans etc. That is the coach's fault 100%TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:35 pm Nigerian football fans are, quite possibly, the most deluded in the world. When our teams fail, we always blame the coach, who has no hand in executing the game, and never consider the possibility that the team just wasn’t good enough to execute the coach’s instructions
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Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
Several good prospects. The tournament was a success. Don’t sleep on Abdullahi and co.
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Wouldn’t that element of inconsistency then suggest that subpar players or performances might be the real issueDamunk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:55 pmThis is true.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:35 pm Nigerian football fans are, quite possibly, the most deluded in the world. When our teams fail, we always blame the coach, who has no hand in executing the game, and never consider the possibility that the team just wasn’t good enough to execute the coach’s instructions
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I think a genuinely good coach will turn out consistently good results even without an embarrassment of riches.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 10:30 pmWouldn’t that element of inconsistency then suggest that subpar players or performances might be the real issueDamunk wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:55 pmThis is true.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:35 pm Nigerian football fans are, quite possibly, the most deluded in the world. When our teams fail, we always blame the coach, who has no hand in executing the game, and never consider the possibility that the team just wasn’t good enough to execute the coach’s instructions
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But another truth is that there are very few coaches that seem to be able to consistently demonstrate their pedigree on the green grass.
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Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
And how do you suggest the SE handlers groom him in the national team? Isn't the U20 and U23 competitions the best way to groom a youth player for the senior national team? He needs to be allowed to grow before he is invited to the national team. There are many examples of players that have been invited to the SE because they excelled in youth tournaments and failed. Having said that, I would make an exception in this case is because the CBs we have now are not better than him. I would start him ahead of Bassey or Akpoguma. He can't be any worse.
naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:22 am I see no reason why this dude shouldn't be invited to the national team and groomed to become one of the best. He has merited it.
The issue I have with SE handlers is that they will ignore him until he gets a relatively good team abroad.
If he then maybe signs for an Egyptian team or SA team or a relatively unknown team in Europe, then they will completely forget him.
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Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
There are exceptional players that do not need to "grow old" with the youth teams before being drafted to the national team. The likes of Gavi, Alphonso Davies, Osimhen, Ndidi etc didn't need to play forever with the youth teams before moving to their various national teams. These are exceptional players.1naija wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:35 pm And how do you suggest the SE handlers groom him in the national team? Isn't the U20 and U23 competitions the best way to groom a youth player for the senior national team? He needs to be allowed to grow before he is invited to the national team. There are many examples of players that have been invited to the SE because they excelled in youth tournaments and failed. Having said that, I would make an exception in this case is because the CBs we have now are not better than him. I would start him ahead of Bassey or Akpoguma. He can't be any worse.
naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:22 am I see no reason why this dude shouldn't be invited to the national team and groomed to become one of the best. He has merited it.
The issue I have with SE handlers is that they will ignore him until he gets a relatively good team abroad.
If he then maybe signs for an Egyptian team or SA team or a relatively unknown team in Europe, then they will completely forget him.
You don't need a sooth sayer to know that Benjamin Frederick is an exceptional player.
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That's quite a lazy comparison if we're being honest here as all of those listed got their International call ups due to their performances at their club/senior level rather than what they did at the youth level which is how you're using to judge Benjamin Fredrick who IMO is talented but is far too inexperienced to make that significant jump from the U20 level to senior.naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:17 amThere are exceptional players that do not need to "grow old" with the youth teams before being drafted to the national team. The likes of Gavi, Alphonso Davies, Osimhen, Ndidi etc didn't need to play forever with the youth teams before moving to their various national teams. These are exceptional players.1naija wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:35 pm And how do you suggest the SE handlers groom him in the national team? Isn't the U20 and U23 competitions the best way to groom a youth player for the senior national team? He needs to be allowed to grow before he is invited to the national team. There are many examples of players that have been invited to the SE because they excelled in youth tournaments and failed. Having said that, I would make an exception in this case is because the CBs we have now are not better than him. I would start him ahead of Bassey or Akpoguma. He can't be any worse.
naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:22 am I see no reason why this dude shouldn't be invited to the national team and groomed to become one of the best. He has merited it.
The issue I have with SE handlers is that they will ignore him until he gets a relatively good team abroad.
If he then maybe signs for an Egyptian team or SA team or a relatively unknown team in Europe, then they will completely forget him.
You don't need a sooth sayer to know that Benjamin Frederick is an exceptional player.
The sample size is too small to rush his development process at this moment and proving himself at the higher levels (U23, CHAN) won't do any harm to his progress. I'm guessing people forget Ndidi went to two U20 World Cups, the first as a 16 year old while a 16 year-old Osimhen played at the U23 AFCON the same year he won the U17 World Cup and I very much doubt that in any way harmed their trajectories, more the opposite.
Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
Moreover Naijaguy is being a little disingenuous by using terms like “grow old” and “play for ever” in the youth teams, rather than more appropriate terms like ‘further develop’ and ‘spend some time’.Sunset wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 3:10 amThat's quite a lazy comparison if we're being honest here as all of those listed got their International call ups due to their performances at their club/senior level rather than what they did at the youth level which is how you're using to judge Benjamin Fredrick who IMO is talented but is far too inexperienced to make that significant jump from the U20 level to senior.naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:17 amThere are exceptional players that do not need to "grow old" with the youth teams before being drafted to the national team. The likes of Gavi, Alphonso Davies, Osimhen, Ndidi etc didn't need to play forever with the youth teams before moving to their various national teams. These are exceptional players.1naija wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:35 pm And how do you suggest the SE handlers groom him in the national team? Isn't the U20 and U23 competitions the best way to groom a youth player for the senior national team? He needs to be allowed to grow before he is invited to the national team. There are many examples of players that have been invited to the SE because they excelled in youth tournaments and failed. Having said that, I would make an exception in this case is because the CBs we have now are not better than him. I would start him ahead of Bassey or Akpoguma. He can't be any worse.
naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:22 am I see no reason why this dude shouldn't be invited to the national team and groomed to become one of the best. He has merited it.
The issue I have with SE handlers is that they will ignore him until he gets a relatively good team abroad.
If he then maybe signs for an Egyptian team or SA team or a relatively unknown team in Europe, then they will completely forget him.
You don't need a sooth sayer to know that Benjamin Frederick is an exceptional player.
The sample size is too small to rush his development process at this moment and proving himself at the higher levels (U23, CHAN) won't do any harm to his progress. I'm guessing people forget Ndidi went to two U20 World Cups, the first as a 16 year old while a 16 year-old Osimhen played at the U23 AFCON the same year he won the U17 World Cup and I very much doubt that in any way harmed their trajectories, more the opposite.
The guy is gifted no doubt but any seasoned coach will tell you that it’s not a straight forward case of rushing a gifted player into a senior team just like that. You can do damage in all sorts of ways.
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Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
I agree with you totally. We had the likes of Keshi, Henry Nwosu and Sylvanus Okpala move quickly into the national team due to being exceptional in the youth team. Also, it was the performance at youth team level that prompted the promotion of the likes of Shofoluwe, Ehilegbu, Okoku, Agbonavbare, Edobor etc to the senior national team after the 1983 WYC and these players played a key role into getting Nigeria to the AFCON final a year later in Ivory Coast. These exceptional players have to be fast tracked into the national team otherwise they could be traded into obscure leagues by agents and their trajectory ends e.g. Valentine Nwabili ended up in Sudan and the rest is history.naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:17 amThere are exceptional players that do not need to "grow old" with the youth teams before being drafted to the national team. The likes of Gavi, Alphonso Davies, Osimhen, Ndidi etc didn't need to play forever with the youth teams before moving to their various national teams. These are exceptional players.1naija wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:35 pm And how do you suggest the SE handlers groom him in the national team? Isn't the U20 and U23 competitions the best way to groom a youth player for the senior national team? He needs to be allowed to grow before he is invited to the national team. There are many examples of players that have been invited to the SE because they excelled in youth tournaments and failed. Having said that, I would make an exception in this case is because the CBs we have now are not better than him. I would start him ahead of Bassey or Akpoguma. He can't be any worse.
naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:22 am I see no reason why this dude shouldn't be invited to the national team and groomed to become one of the best. He has merited it.
The issue I have with SE handlers is that they will ignore him until he gets a relatively good team abroad.
If he then maybe signs for an Egyptian team or SA team or a relatively unknown team in Europe, then they will completely forget him.
You don't need a sooth sayer to know that Benjamin Frederick is an exceptional player.
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You do realise that every single one of the players you've mentioned is aged between the mid 50s to over 60 - or would have been if they were still alive.Dammy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:14 amI agree with you totally. We had the likes of Keshi, Henry Nwosu and Sylvanus Okpala move quickly into the national team due to being exceptional in the youth team. Also, it was the performance at youth team level that prompted the promotion of the likes of Shofoluwe, Ehilegbu, Okoku, Agbonavbare, Edobor etc to the senior national team after the 1983 WYC and these players played a key role into getting Nigeria to the AFCON final a year later in Ivory Coast. These exceptional players have to be fast tracked into the national team otherwise they could be traded into obscure leagues by agents and their trajectory ends e.g. Valentine Nwabili ended up in Sudan and the rest is history.naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:17 amThere are exceptional players that do not need to "grow old" with the youth teams before being drafted to the national team. The likes of Gavi, Alphonso Davies, Osimhen, Ndidi etc didn't need to play forever with the youth teams before moving to their various national teams. These are exceptional players.1naija wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:35 pm And how do you suggest the SE handlers groom him in the national team? Isn't the U20 and U23 competitions the best way to groom a youth player for the senior national team? He needs to be allowed to grow before he is invited to the national team. There are many examples of players that have been invited to the SE because they excelled in youth tournaments and failed. Having said that, I would make an exception in this case is because the CBs we have now are not better than him. I would start him ahead of Bassey or Akpoguma. He can't be any worse.
naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:22 am I see no reason why this dude shouldn't be invited to the national team and groomed to become one of the best. He has merited it.
The issue I have with SE handlers is that they will ignore him until he gets a relatively good team abroad.
If he then maybe signs for an Egyptian team or SA team or a relatively unknown team in Europe, then they will completely forget him.
You don't need a sooth sayer to know that Benjamin Frederick is an exceptional player.
That is a long gone era and to be honest, I am not sure what your definition of 'exceptional' is.
Every national team player youth or senior is exceptional in a sense.
But by international standards, a truly exceptional footballer is on another level i.e. world class.
Even by Nigerian standards, maybe only Keshi on that list would make the 'exceptional' category.
How many of them would make Nigeria's 50 GOATs for instance?
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Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
There are also many players who excelled at youth level and were called up to the Senior team but could not hack it. Then 16 years old Dele Adeleye, and Alampasu are prime examples.
We lack center backs in the SE, so I won't have any problem with Benjamin being called up to the SE out of desperation. But, I didn't see anything he did in the tournament that suggests he will just waltz into the SE and dominate our opponents.
We lack center backs in the SE, so I won't have any problem with Benjamin being called up to the SE out of desperation. But, I didn't see anything he did in the tournament that suggests he will just waltz into the SE and dominate our opponents.
Dammy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 7:14 amI agree with you totally. We had the likes of Keshi, Henry Nwosu and Sylvanus Okpala move quickly into the national team due to being exceptional in the youth team. Also, it was the performance at youth team level that prompted the promotion of the likes of Shofoluwe, Ehilegbu, Okoku, Agbonavbare, Edobor etc to the senior national team after the 1983 WYC and these players played a key role into getting Nigeria to the AFCON final a year later in Ivory Coast. These exceptional players have to be fast tracked into the national team otherwise they could be traded into obscure leagues by agents and their trajectory ends e.g. Valentine Nwabili ended up in Sudan and the rest is history.naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 04, 2023 12:17 amThere are exceptional players that do not need to "grow old" with the youth teams before being drafted to the national team. The likes of Gavi, Alphonso Davies, Osimhen, Ndidi etc didn't need to play forever with the youth teams before moving to their various national teams. These are exceptional players.1naija wrote: ↑Sat Apr 01, 2023 8:35 pm And how do you suggest the SE handlers groom him in the national team? Isn't the U20 and U23 competitions the best way to groom a youth player for the senior national team? He needs to be allowed to grow before he is invited to the national team. There are many examples of players that have been invited to the SE because they excelled in youth tournaments and failed. Having said that, I would make an exception in this case is because the CBs we have now are not better than him. I would start him ahead of Bassey or Akpoguma. He can't be any worse.
naijaguy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 10:22 am I see no reason why this dude shouldn't be invited to the national team and groomed to become one of the best. He has merited it.
The issue I have with SE handlers is that they will ignore him until he gets a relatively good team abroad.
If he then maybe signs for an Egyptian team or SA team or a relatively unknown team in Europe, then they will completely forget him.
You don't need a sooth sayer to know that Benjamin Frederick is an exceptional player.
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Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
Benjamin starting against arguably the toughest CF in the league Ibrahim Mustapha
Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
Not only is he our best player so far, he IMO has the highest ceiling in this squad. Reminds me of Ndidi at his first WYC but a lot better on the ball, it'll be interesting to see how he develops physically though.
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Nice game. Why do they use commentators who can’t articulate the game in an exciting way that locals will understand and appreciate? The commentator sounds like he’s reading a story from a book,very boring. We need commentators who have a mastery of pidgin English, understand enough Yoruba,Igbo or Hausa to mix it all together and create poetry out of calling the game. We need to be creative with the way games are presented.
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what more can Bigpokey say? This boy is litBigpokey24 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 8:03 pm
Now this is a player i think we should keep an eye on and watch his development. He is most def one for the future... a ball playing CB and boy can he defend
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those with eyes open it wide and see the next big thing coming out of Nigeria
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Re: Benjamin Fredrick should be drafted to the SE
Leipzig would be the best but our players rarely do well in Germany. Even Osihmen was frustrated out of Bundesliga.Bigpokey24 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:20 am
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It would appear that Bosso has chosen well. The YumYum FC boys are in the quarter-finals of the world youth cup… and the glorified village is about to advance to the QF of the U20 World Cupbret- hart wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:50 pmBunk. Bo$$o had boys playing for Inter Millan, Ac Millan, Bendel insurance, Dakkaka, Beyond Limit academy, Crystal Palace etc yet he chose boys from YumYum fc. This failure is on him. How does a coach lose to a glorified village named Gambia and not resign?TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:04 pmA coach can only pick players that are available to him. Do you believe it is Hervè Renard’s fault that Saudi Arabia couldn’t advance out of the first round of the World CupBigpokey24 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:17 pmThe blame falls on the coach , there is no way out of that. If the coach picks players who aren't able to execute his tactics, plans etc. That is the coach's fault 100%TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:35 pm Nigerian football fans are, quite possibly, the most deluded in the world. When our teams fail, we always blame the coach, who has no hand in executing the game, and never consider the possibility that the team just wasn’t good enough to execute the coach’s instructions
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