Referees: Discussion

[anointed]

MANCHESTER UNITED 2-2 SUNDERLAND
Fergie slams unfit Wiley
October 3, 2009


Sir Alex Ferguson tonight launched a blistering attack on Alan Wiley, accusing the Staffordshire official of "not being fit enough'' to do his job.

Wiley, the fourth official for last month's controversial Manchester derby, was in charge at Old Trafford this afternoon as an injury-time own-goal from Anton Ferdinand gave United a point against Sunderland in a 2-2 draw.

Ferguson claimed Wiley had not played the correct amount of added time because he had failed to add on an additional minute to the four already signalled once United scored.

"I was disappointed with the referee,'' said the United boss.

"He didn't add on any time for the goal. He played four minutes and two seconds.

"He was also walking up the pitch for the second goal needing a rest. He was not fit enough for a game of that standard.

"The pace of the game demanded a referee who was fit. He was not fit. It is an indictment of our game.

"You see referees abroad who are as fit as butcher's dogs. We have some who are fit. He wasn't fit.

"He was taking 30 seconds to book a player. He was needing a rest. It was ridiculous.''

Ferguson twice headed to the touchline during the second half to make his feelings known about controversial decisions.

At one point, after he felt Anderson was denied a penalty, he jabbed his finger at fourth official Mike Dean and then pointed angrily to the pitch.

Whatever the merits of Ferguson's argument, he will have succeeded in taking the spotlight away from his side, who were indebted to Patrice Evra's deflected shot after they had produced probably their worst performance of the season, with Ben Foster again at fault for the second-half header from Kenwyne Jones that looked like being the winner.

"It was a soft goal to lose,'' admitted Ferguson.

"Our passing was very poor in the first half. In the end we needed to show some great qualities to get something out of the game on a day when we played really badly.''

Sunderland manager Steve Bruce was unhappy with Kieran Richardson, branding his late sending off as "stupid".

"It is hard enough to defend here with 11 players. These things happen in the heat of the moment but it could have cost us the game.''

United used the dismissal to have one last assault at the visitors' goal, with Ferdinand the unlucky man as he deflected Evra's shot past Craig Gordon.

"It is totally disappointing,'' said Bruce. "I don't know what the stat is for the number of times Manchester United have done that but it is what makes this club what it is I suppose.

"It just proves you have to go down to the wire.

"Even when they don't play well, they always seem to get something out of it. And the Ayatollah himself just sits there and watches.

"That is what he has brought to the club. They never give in.''


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story ... nd&cc=5901

Inconclusive though I read it to mean stupid of Richardson after getting carried away by the heat of the moment.

Sunderland were reduced to ten men when former United man Kieran Richardson was sent off for a second bookable offence after kicking the ball away.
http://www.skysports.com/football/match ... 09,00.html

Richardson’s late, dumb dismissal increased the pressure. The former United player had been booked in the first half for clattering
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... eport.html

[yaya]

so this cat can actually post on any other topic apart from Arsenal-bashing? and he's even trying to say something intelligent? wonders shall never end?

my own question is why are FIFA/UEFA afraid of technology? Why wont they allow a 4th official to use video replay to help in crucial decisions. A referee decision can decide the outcome of a tight game. Technology can help make this decisions fairer. Hockey, Tennis, Rugby, Cricket, NFL have all embraced it. Why has football remained stuck with the primitive argument that 'mistakes are part of the game'. Mistakes only allows foul play. Why should we continue to embrace mistakes that humans have found a way to overcome?

I can assure you that I am more intelligent than your parents combined!

Now to the point. technology has no place in football. Please lets stop this silliness. mistakes are part of the game. what we are advocating against is stupid mistakes that are sooooo clear to the naked eye, that would make any concious mind question the integrity of the referee and the game. Do you remember the Spurs goal against Man United at Old Trafford (under Marin Jol). Now thats the mistake we dont wan. a mistake thats so blatant that it calls the referee's and assistant's intergrity to question.

FIFA wants the game to remain in its most natural state. and I agree with that. Furthermore, the pace of football demands that we cannot accept the detriment of a "stop,start, stop , start" kind of situation. And yes, many people have argued that the referee wears a headgear and the 4th official watches the quick replay and whispers the decision. but this is just a slippery slope...or as they say, will open a pandora's box. what of those really really close calls? will the referee stop the game for a couple of minutes, so that his assistants and watch the replay over and over and over again?

[yaya]

It is indeed debatable and it was different from Anton's situation. Clearly Richardson was returning the ball to the spot of the FK as opposed to Anton kicking it away to prevent a quick restart.

God Bless you there and your first born son will be intelligent and have a fine face like me!

Yes! Richardson was stupid to even kick the ball, because in that situation, you never know what the ref is gonna do. But the Ref was more stupid and showed lack of calm, experience and leadership. because when i saw it, i felt richardson could just aswell have been kicking the bacll back to Man United! i mean, a red card for that offense?

and stop all that nonsense about being consistent. So if I am an angel*, i should remain an angel*, just to be consistent?

[yaya]

@ Anointed, BBC and Sky, i dont need you to tell me what I saw.

[anointed]

@ Anointed, BBC and Sky, i dont need you to tell me what I saw.

According to you what you saw is that a red card was given for the offence but you saw wrong. A yellow card was actually given for the offenc.

[yaya]

@ Anointed, BBC and Sky, i dont need you to tell me what I saw.

According to you what you saw is that a red card was given for the offence but you saw wrong. A yellow card was actually given for the offenc.

your english may be very bad, but I expect you to at least understand the simple english. A yellow card was given for the offence. it was NOT a yellow card offence because richardson did not "kick the ball away." he kicked the ball back to where the infrigement occured. What if he had carried the ball with his hands (refusing to give it to the United player) and ran to where the infrigement occured and placed the ball there, would he get a yellow card for that?

its simple, the mature and experience referees are retiring and now we are left with irrational, childish and sometimes daft referees to ruin perfectly good games!

[yaya]

FERGIE: FAT FOOL, WILEY, U NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT!

"He was also walking up the pitch for the second goal needing a rest. He was not fit enough for a game of that standard.

"The pace of the game demanded a referee who was fit. He was not fit. It is an indictment of our game.

"You see referees abroad who are as fit as butcher's dogs. We have some who are fit. He wasn't fit.

"He was taking 30 seconds to book a player. He was needing a rest. It was ridiculous."

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 50,00.html

[yaya]

Howard Webb Fucks up Wolves v. Portsmouth!

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 47,00.html

[yaya]

Another one fucks up Arsenal v Blackburn

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528, ... 99,00.html

[txj]

Is'nt Walton the oldest ref in the PL?
He needs his pension

[yaya]

This thread was opened 9 months too early. The horrible refereeing in this world cup clearly shows what i said 9 months ago. The foundation of our sport will be threatened if we continue with the joke that we call referees. Its a disgrace that every game in this tournament has been decided by a humongous refereeing mistake. Good heavens!

[wiseone]

MOVE TO WORLD FOOTBALL

This is one of the worst penalty decisions I have ever seen. The Turkish referee awarded a 91st minute penalty to Brugge for this in their Champions League match against Atalanta.