Is Pep a fraud?

oloye · Post by **oloye** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:46 am

Cristao II wrote:
green4life wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
cic old boy wrote:A Man City fans said in this vid: "The top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe".
Even Tottenham that went out of the CL in the group stages! Hilarious.
Tottenham's underperformance in the CL is due to several factors ...

1: New Stadium - It was a good idea to play games there this season preparing us for next year. I am seriously downplaying Spurs ability to over-perform due to the move to Wembley next season.
2: Inexperience of the squad and coach. People forget that this squad is quite young and that Pochettino is still learning.
3: Injuries to key players.
4: Players late recovery from the shambles of Euro 2016
5: Sometimes shiite just happens

That said - I would like to know the European team that would want to face Spurs and not feel some trepidation.
IMO, the biggest factor is a combination of Spurs as an organization being inexperienced in CL football and lacking self belief in Europe. Leicester City similarly lacks even more experience in CL than Spurs but I saw a certain level of self belief in their European performances that helped them to win their CL group.

@ CIC, using your logic, since Leicester City won their CL group, plus are the EPL defending champions, that makes them a top team in Europe especially considering Pep got demolished by them not long ago, abi?
Spurs' problem in Europe was not self belief. That sentence has been mouthed so many times that people believe the myth. Ranieri has far more CL experience than Poch including reaching a CL final.

And what experience did Grant and Matteo have when they Chelsea to europe by storm? No need to try to explain certain things. It is quite simple Spurs failed in europe, even the best teams and seasoned coaches have failed in the past. This one had nothing to do with Poch not being experienced in europe...they simply flopped,it does happen in this game. Good thing is Spurs will get another chance!

cic old boy · Post by **cic old boy** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:47 am

Cristao II wrote:
But cic - arent you over-reacting? The article never said the TOP 6 teams in the EPL ARE the top 6 teams in Europe. It said that the top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe. If you had to draw up a list of the 50 top teams in Europe, you would have those teams in there.

A matter of interpretation. I wouldn't call 6 of the best, 6 out of the top 50. More like 6 out of the top 10.

pajimoh · Post by **pajimoh** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:05 am

green4life wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
cic old boy wrote:A Man City fans said in this vid: "The top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe".
Even Tottenham that went out of the CL in the group stages! Hilarious.
Tottenham's underperformance in the CL is due to several factors ...

1: New Stadium - It was a good idea to play games there this season preparing us for next year. I am seriously downplaying Spurs ability to over-perform due to the move to Wembley next season.
2: Inexperience of the squad and coach. People forget that this squad is quite young and that Pochettino is still learning.
3: Injuries to key players.
4: Players late recovery from the shambles of Euro 2016
5: Sometimes shiite just happens

That said - I would like to know the European team that would want to face Spurs and not feel some trepidation.
IMO, the biggest factor is a combination of Spurs as an organization being inexperienced in CL football and lacking self belief in Europe. Leicester City similarly lacks even more experience in CL than Spurs but I saw a certain level of self belief in their European performances that helped them to win their CL group.

@ CIC, using your logic, since Leicester City won their CL group, plus are the EPL defending champions, that makes them a top team in Europe especially considering Pep got demolished by them not long ago, abi?

The biggest problem for Spurs and this will come to the fore next year is WEMBLEY.

Spurs have not lost at WHL this season and record breaking teams have floundered at the Lane (Man City & Chelsea). We play our CL home game at Wembley and not a single one won.
Most players dream of playing in a stadium like Wembley and some of them will never get a chance to unless they are in a cup final or playing for their national team. Yet playing Spurs there gives them a chance - It is not a home game for us and a dream for other teams.

It's a recipe for encouraging your opponents. I dread playing our home game there next season. We are practically going to play 38 away games next season.

People forget the first season Spurs played in the CL, they made it to the QF or something like that.

Wembley is definitely not it for us, just a good revenue earner

Coach · Post by **Coach** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:07 am

Enugu, the very same attributes cited as pivotal to performance are those oft instilled by the coach. The sport of kings speaks loud and clearly of the significance of the corner men. Were Floyd born Hatton, would he have been as good? But for Cus, would there ever have been Tyson?

kofi86 · Post by **kofi86** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:40 am

@Enugu II:

I could not agree more. Most coaches are more or less average imo. There are some truly bad coaches (I mostly know only German horrible coaches) and some truely good coaches. Most fall inbetween. I think the challenge for clubs is finding the right coach for their specific situation and good coaches might fit for more situations or make the most of a specific situation compared to others.

green4life · Post by **green4life** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:51 am

Cristao II wrote:
green4life wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
cic old boy wrote:A Man City fans said in this vid: "The top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe".
Even Tottenham that went out of the CL in the group stages! Hilarious.
Tottenham's underperformance in the CL is due to several factors ...

1: New Stadium - It was a good idea to play games there this season preparing us for next year. I am seriously downplaying Spurs ability to over-perform due to the move to Wembley next season.
2: Inexperience of the squad and coach. People forget that this squad is quite young and that Pochettino is still learning.
3: Injuries to key players.
4: Players late recovery from the shambles of Euro 2016
5: Sometimes shiite just happens

That said - I would like to know the European team that would want to face Spurs and not feel some trepidation.
IMO, the biggest factor is a combination of Spurs as an organization being inexperienced in CL football and lacking self belief in Europe. Leicester City similarly lacks even more experience in CL than Spurs but I saw a certain level of self belief in their European performances that helped them to win their CL group.

@ CIC, using your logic, since Leicester City won their CL group, plus are the EPL defending champions, that makes them a top team in Europe especially considering Pep got demolished by them not long ago, abi?
Spurs' problem in Europe was not self belief. That sentence has been mouthed so many times that people believe the myth. Ranieri has far more CL experience than Poch including reaching a CL final.

How much CL experience did Di Matteo have as a manager when he took over from AVB in 2012?

Cristao II · Post by **Cristao II** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:54 am

oloye wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
green4life wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
cic old boy wrote:A Man City fans said in this vid: "The top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe".
Even Tottenham that went out of the CL in the group stages! Hilarious.
Tottenham's underperformance in the CL is due to several factors ...

1: New Stadium - It was a good idea to play games there this season preparing us for next year. I am seriously downplaying Spurs ability to over-perform due to the move to Wembley next season.
2: Inexperience of the squad and coach. People forget that this squad is quite young and that Pochettino is still learning.
3: Injuries to key players.
4: Players late recovery from the shambles of Euro 2016
5: Sometimes shiite just happens

That said - I would like to know the European team that would want to face Spurs and not feel some trepidation.
IMO, the biggest factor is a combination of Spurs as an organization being inexperienced in CL football and lacking self belief in Europe. Leicester City similarly lacks even more experience in CL than Spurs but I saw a certain level of self belief in their European performances that helped them to win their CL group.

@ CIC, using your logic, since Leicester City won their CL group, plus are the EPL defending champions, that makes them a top team in Europe especially considering Pep got demolished by them not long ago, abi?
Spurs' problem in Europe was not self belief. That sentence has been mouthed so many times that people believe the myth. Ranieri has far more CL experience than Poch including reaching a CL final.
And what experience did Grant and Matteo have when they Chelsea to europe by storm? No need to try to explain certain things. It is quite simple Spurs failed in europe, even the best teams and seasoned coaches have failed in the past. This one had nothing to do with Poch not being experienced in europe...they simply flopped,it does happen in this game. Good thing is Spurs will get another chance!

You cant compare the experience and strength of the squads Avram Grant and Matteo had with the Spurs squad of this year! Chelsea had players well experienced in Europe. Come on!!

Thank goodness the coaching staff are engaging proper understanding of what happened and how to not repeat it next year. One thing that gives me hope is the understanding that Poch and his coaching staff are having to learn and push themselves alongside the players. Before last season, Poch had never managed a side pushing for a title. Before this season, he had never managed in the league.

Sometimes people enter competition for the experience.

Cristao II · Post by **Cristao II** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:54 am

green4life wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
green4life wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
cic old boy wrote:A Man City fans said in this vid: "The top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe".
Even Tottenham that went out of the CL in the group stages! Hilarious.
Tottenham's underperformance in the CL is due to several factors ...

1: New Stadium - It was a good idea to play games there this season preparing us for next year. I am seriously downplaying Spurs ability to over-perform due to the move to Wembley next season.
2: Inexperience of the squad and coach. People forget that this squad is quite young and that Pochettino is still learning.
3: Injuries to key players.
4: Players late recovery from the shambles of Euro 2016
5: Sometimes shiite just happens

That said - I would like to know the European team that would want to face Spurs and not feel some trepidation.
IMO, the biggest factor is a combination of Spurs as an organization being inexperienced in CL football and lacking self belief in Europe. Leicester City similarly lacks even more experience in CL than Spurs but I saw a certain level of self belief in their European performances that helped them to win their CL group.

@ CIC, using your logic, since Leicester City won their CL group, plus are the EPL defending champions, that makes them a top team in Europe especially considering Pep got demolished by them not long ago, abi?
Spurs' problem in Europe was not self belief. That sentence has been mouthed so many times that people believe the myth. Ranieri has far more CL experience than Poch including reaching a CL final.
How much CL experience did Di Matteo have as a manager when he took over from AVB in 2012?

He had a lot as a player and he also had a team that had a lot of experience.

Cristao II · Post by **Cristao II** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:00 am

cic old boy wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
But cic - arent you over-reacting? The article never said the TOP 6 teams in the EPL ARE the top 6 teams in Europe. It said that the top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe. If you had to draw up a list of the 50 top teams in Europe, you would have those teams in there.
A matter of interpretation. I wouldn't call 6 of the best, 6 out of the top 50. More like 6 out of the top 10.

Subjective. One has to ask the writer what number did best refer to?

kofi86 · Post by **kofi86** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 12:50 pm

Did Monaco have you more experience than Tottenham? I highly doubt it.

green4life · Post by **green4life** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:07 pm

Cristao II wrote:
green4life wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
green4life wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
cic old boy wrote:A Man City fans said in this vid: "The top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe".
Even Tottenham that went out of the CL in the group stages! Hilarious.
Tottenham's underperformance in the CL is due to several factors ...

1: New Stadium - It was a good idea to play games there this season preparing us for next year. I am seriously downplaying Spurs ability to over-perform due to the move to Wembley next season.
2: Inexperience of the squad and coach. People forget that this squad is quite young and that Pochettino is still learning.
3: Injuries to key players.
4: Players late recovery from the shambles of Euro 2016
5: Sometimes shiite just happens

That said - I would like to know the European team that would want to face Spurs and not feel some trepidation.
IMO, the biggest factor is a combination of Spurs as an organization being inexperienced in CL football and lacking self belief in Europe. Leicester City similarly lacks even more experience in CL than Spurs but I saw a certain level of self belief in their European performances that helped them to win their CL group.

@ CIC, using your logic, since Leicester City won their CL group, plus are the EPL defending champions, that makes them a top team in Europe especially considering Pep got demolished by them not long ago, abi?
Spurs' problem in Europe was not self belief. That sentence has been mouthed so many times that people believe the myth. Ranieri has far more CL experience than Poch including reaching a CL final.
How much CL experience did Di Matteo have as a manager when he took over from AVB in 2012?
He had a lot as a player and he also had a team that had a lot of experience.

Lol. Really? Or are you making it up to suit your position?

Forget it my friend.

green4life · Post by **green4life** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:13 pm

kofi86 wrote:Did Monaco have you more experience than Tottenham? I highly doubt it.

He will tell you that Monaco as an organization has more experience. Then what about Leicester City? Oh, their manager, Ranieri is a wizard in Europe. Ok ooo

tfco · Post by **tfco** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 5:35 pm

cic old boy wrote: The point of this thread is in the title. Jeez, you are slow.

lol so now that The Revolution is struggling you have taken to making blanket statements about ONE Citeh fan.

But yet you fight tooth and nail defending against what >60% Bayern fans said about The Revolution

cic old boy · Post by **cic old boy** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 6:15 pm

tfco wrote:
lol so now that The Revolution is struggling you have taken to making blanket statements about ONE Citeh fan.

But yet you fight tooth and nail defending against what >60% Bayern fans said about The Revolution

You clearly don't know what a "blanket statement" is. I thought what the City fan said was funny. "Blanket" is when I attribute his comments to all City fans.

I'm sure you don't know what "tooth and nail" is either.

tfco · Post by **tfco** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:59 pm

cic old boy wrote:
tfco wrote:
lol so now that The Revolution is struggling you have taken to making blanket statements about ONE Citeh fan.

But yet you fight tooth and nail defending against what >60% Bayern fans said about The Revolution

You clearly don't know what a "blanket statement" is. I thought what the City fan said was funny. "Blanket" is when I attribute his comments to all City fans.

I'm sure you don't know what "tooth and nail" is either.

You used HIS comment as your thread opener. ONE freaking comment.

Oh yeah, you do rely on 'sauces' for your info,

cic old boy · Post by **cic old boy** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:16 pm

tfco wrote: You used HIS comment as your thread opener. ONE freaking comment.

Oh yeah, you do rely on 'sauces' for your info,

Time to change tack. It was not a blanket comment. It was a funny comment. What bit of "what he said was funny" don't you understand?

1naija · Post by **1naija** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:42 pm

cic old boy wrote:
Cristao II wrote:
But cic - arent you over-reacting? The article never said the TOP 6 teams in the EPL ARE the top 6 teams in Europe. It said that the top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe. If you had to draw up a list of the 50 top teams in Europe, you would have those teams in there.
A matter of interpretation. I wouldn't call 6 of the best, 6 out of the top 50. More like 6 out of the top 10.

Uncle, just admit that you read it to mean top 6 teams in the EPL are top 6 teams in Europe. I have always warned against market women interpretation of these articles.

cic old boy · Post by **cic old boy** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:02 pm

1naija wrote: Uncle, just admit that you read it to mean top 6 teams in the EPL are top 6 teams in Europe. I have always warned against market women interpretation of these articles.

OK, I read it different from how I quoted it!

"The top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe"

1naija · Post by **1naija** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:21 pm

cic old boy wrote:
1naija wrote: Uncle, just admit that you read it to mean top 6 teams in the EPL are top 6 teams in Europe. I have always warned against market women interpretation of these articles.
OK, I read it different from how I quoted it!
"The top 6 teams in the Premier League are 6 of the best teams in Europe"

Then what's funny about the statement?

cic old boy · Post by **cic old boy** » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:24 pm

I explained it in my next sentence with the example of Tottenham. They are not among the best teams in Europe by any yardstick!

danfo driver · Post by **danfo driver** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:48 am

green4life wrote:
kofi86 wrote:Did Monaco have you more experience than Tottenham? I highly doubt it.
He will tell you that Monaco as an organization has more experience. Then what about Leicester City? Oh, their manager, Ranieri is a wizard in Europe. Ok ooo

That boy is just fighting the truth -- SPURS IS CURSED!

Cristao II · Post by **Cristao II** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 7:40 am

green4life wrote:
kofi86 wrote:Did Monaco have you more experience than Tottenham? I highly doubt it.
He will tell you that Monaco as an organization has more experience. Then what about Leicester City? Oh, their manager, Ranieri is a wizard in Europe. Ok ooo

Monaco does have players and a coach that are more experienced. They also have a squad with as much youth talent as Spurs. Leonardo Jarolim is a more experienced tactical and technical coach than Poch. Ranieri is far more experienced than Poch!! What exactly is the laughing matter?

green4life · Post by **green4life** » Wed Jan 25, 2017 8:19 am

Cristao II wrote:
green4life wrote:
kofi86 wrote:Did Monaco have you more experience than Tottenham? I highly doubt it.
He will tell you that Monaco as an organization has more experience. Then what about Leicester City? Oh, their manager, Ranieri is a wizard in Europe. Ok ooo
Monaco does have players and a coach that are more experienced. They also have a squad with as much youth talent as Spurs. Leonardo Jarolim is a more experienced tactical and technical coach than Poch. Ranieri is far more experienced than Poch!! What exactly is the laughing matter?

The laughing matter is I feel like I'm trying to catch a fish with my bare hands. ... so Di Matteo must have been far more experienced than Poch when he led Chelsea all the way to the CL title in 2012 .. Abi, no be so?

No one expected Spurs to win the CL trophy but to go out in the first round from a group that did not include Juventus, Bayern, Dortmund, the two Madrid's, Barca or any proper CL power house.... we're talking CSKA Moskow, Levervusen and Monaco for Pete's sake... hardly different from the make up of Leicester City's group. Yet, one club in their first CL in their history actually WON their group while the other organization that has a lot more CL experience than Leicester City crashed out in the first round. Anyway cheers.

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