Let's address the elephant in the room.
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Okoye is fine. In my opinion, an outstanding goalkeeper is a bonus. I’d simply take someone competent that I can trust to save what he should save, and you know, not try to pull an Okocha leg-over on an onrushing attacking player.
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Re: Let's address the elephant in the room.
maceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:35 am In how many games he’s played can anybody point to one great save he’s made for SE? I’ve seen him make numerous for his club but for the SE he’s always looked apprehensive and somehow scared to me.
For Uzoho I can remember a few including a great FK save touching Messis shot onto the post vs Argentina last WC.
The question is what does Okoye have in front of him….?
I will be shittting myself when the team list comes out every game….
Shehu, Ekong, Balogun, Collins….
I am thinking WTF…… why are we playing a midfielder as RB? Why is a Germany div 2 relegation prospect, the LB. How come Rangers bench warmer is playing before a stabilised defender in German top league!!!
I will be shitting myself each time the other team attacks….
I honestly fear for his health….
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Uzoho had the same players in front of him in the game he played and still made some great saves.Enyi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:51 pmmaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:35 am In how many games he’s played can anybody point to one great save he’s made for SE? I’ve seen him make numerous for his club but for the SE he’s always looked apprehensive and somehow scared to me.
For Uzoho I can remember a few including a great FK save touching Messis shot onto the post vs Argentina last WC.
The question is what does Okoye have in front of him….?
I will be shittting myself when the team list comes out every game….
Shehu, Ekong, Balogun, Collins….
I am thinking WTF…… why are we playing a midfielder as RB? Why is a Germany div 2 relegation prospect, the LB. How come Rangers bench warmer is playing before a stabilised defender in German top league!!!
I will be shitting myself each time the other team attacks….
I honestly fear for his health….
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Are we now judging Okoye on a failure to "make great saves"?
Why not judge a Keeper's competence on his failure to save penalties?
Who judges a 22 year old based on that?
Oh, I forgot....Nigerians don't do 'learn' and don't have a need to gain 'experience'.
If we have a clearly better alternative, let's put him nah.
Like Akpeyi. Or maybe Ezenwa. Noble. Or even Afelokhai
If not......
Why not judge a Keeper's competence on his failure to save penalties?
Who judges a 22 year old based on that?
Oh, I forgot....Nigerians don't do 'learn' and don't have a need to gain 'experience'.
If we have a clearly better alternative, let's put him nah.
Like Akpeyi. Or maybe Ezenwa. Noble. Or even Afelokhai
If not......
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I don't know when you became an expert in fallacious arguments.Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:21 pm Are we now judging Okoye on a failure to "make great saves"?
Why not judge a Keeper's competence on his failure to save penalties?
Who judges a 22 year old based on that?
Oh, I forgot....Nigerians don't 'learn' or have a need to gain 'experience'.
If we have a clearly better alternative, put him nah.
If not......
Okoye is not being judged on "making great saves" rather the conversation is that he hardly makes saves as an Eagles Goaie... as almost every goal-bound or decent chance results in a goal.
You do know that goalies are supposed to stop some of those chances that have a high probability of going in?
BTW, it is not like making tackles... as positioning and reading the game helps one to not have to make tackles. But should the need to make tackles arise, they can execute it.
Ps., He is a good goalie but he ain't a shot-stopper like some of the guys we have had in the past... he checks other parts of goalkeeping but he must improve his shot-stopping.
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KPOM, I prefer Uzoho and I don’t see anything that Okoye has done for SE that makes him better. But seems selection might be based on club performance, which doesn’t always follow.Cellular wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:32 pmI don't know when you became an expert in fallacious arguments.Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:21 pm Are we now judging Okoye on a failure to "make great saves"?
Why not judge a Keeper's competence on his failure to save penalties?
Who judges a 22 year old based on that?
Oh, I forgot....Nigerians don't 'learn' or have a need to gain 'experience'.
If we have a clearly better alternative, put him nah.
If not......
Okoye is not being judged on "making great saves" rather the conversation is that he hardly makes saves as an Eagles Goaie... as almost every goal-bound or decent chance results in a goal.
You do know that goalies are supposed to stop some of those chances that have a high probability of going in?
BTW, it is not like making tackles... as positioning and reading the game helps one to not have to make tackles. But should the need to make tackles arise, they can execute it.
Ps., He is a good goalie but he ain't a shot-stopper like some of the guys we have had in the past... he checks other parts of goalkeeping but he must improve his shot-stopping.
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How do you judge goalkeepers if not for making great saves? Do you only judge them by making routine saves? And has his age got to do with anything? Is he not a senior National team goalkeeper? Maybe Osimhen should not score goals since he is also 22.
Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:21 pm Are we now judging Okoye on a failure to "make great saves"?
Why not judge a Keeper's competence on his failure to save penalties?
Who judges a 22 year old based on that?
Oh, I forgot....Nigerians don't do 'learn' and don't have a need to gain 'experience'.
If we have a clearly better alternative, let's put him nah.
Like Akpeyi. Or maybe Ezenwa. Noble. Or even Afelokhai
If not......
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You guys go kill person with laughter here .Enyi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:51 pmmaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:35 am In how many games he’s played can anybody point to one great save he’s made for SE? I’ve seen him make numerous for his club but for the SE he’s always looked apprehensive and somehow scared to me.
For Uzoho I can remember a few including a great FK save touching Messis shot onto the post vs Argentina last WC.
The question is what does Okoye have in front of him….?
I will be shittting myself when the team list comes out every game….
Shehu, Ekong, Balogun, Collins….
I am thinking WTF…… why are we playing a midfielder as RB? Why is a Germany div 2 relegation prospect, the LB. How come Rangers bench warmer is playing before a stabilised defender in German top league!!!
I will be shitting myself each time the other team attacks….
I honestly fear for his health….
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Re: Let's address the elephant in the room.
I have always said this: a goalkeeper is as good as the defense in front of him/her. One is as strong as the defense he can muster in the face of an attack.Enyi wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:51 pmmaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:35 am In how many games he’s played can anybody point to one great save he’s made for SE? I’ve seen him make numerous for his club but for the SE he’s always looked apprehensive and somehow scared to me.
For Uzoho I can remember a few including a great FK save touching Messis shot onto the post vs Argentina last WC.
The question is what does Okoye have in front of him….?
I will be shittting myself when the team list comes out every game….
Shehu, Ekong, Balogun, Collins….
I am thinking WTF…… why are we playing a midfielder as RB? Why is a Germany div 2 relegation prospect, the LB. How come Rangers bench warmer is playing before a stabilised defender in German top league!!!
I will be shitting myself each time the other team attacks….
I honestly fear for his health….
In place of Shehu or whoelse, Let Ebuehi take that spot. In place of Ekong, bring in someone else. Anyone is better.
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Back in November when Damunk was arguing that we don't know what we are talking about.Cellular wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:32 pmI don't know when you became an expert in fallacious arguments.Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:21 pm Are we now judging Okoye on a failure to "make great saves"?
Why not judge a Keeper's competence on his failure to save penalties?
Who judges a 22 year old based on that?
Oh, I forgot....Nigerians don't 'learn' or have a need to gain 'experience'.
If we have a clearly better alternative, put him nah.
If not......
Okoye is not being judged on "making great saves" rather the conversation is that he hardly makes saves as an Eagles Goaie... as almost every goal-bound or decent chance results in a goal.
You do know that goalies are supposed to stop some of those chances that have a high probability of going in?
BTW, it is not like making tackles... as positioning and reading the game helps one to not have to make tackles. But should the need to make tackles arise, they can execute it.
Ps., He is a good goalie but he ain't a shot-stopper like some of the guys we have had in the past... he checks other parts of goalkeeping but he must improve his shot-stopping.
Some of us natives see things before they happen... but they tell us we are not sophisticated enough to understand what we are seeing.
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But it wasn't Okoye's fault that we didn't have one single shot on target in the first half and only one on target over 95 minutes of the round 16 match.Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:14 pmBack in November when Damunk was arguing that we don't know what we are talking about.Cellular wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:32 pmI don't know when you became an expert in fallacious arguments.Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:21 pm Are we now judging Okoye on a failure to "make great saves"?
Why not judge a Keeper's competence on his failure to save penalties?
Who judges a 22 year old based on that?
Oh, I forgot....Nigerians don't 'learn' or have a need to gain 'experience'.
If we have a clearly better alternative, put him nah.
If not......
Okoye is not being judged on "making great saves" rather the conversation is that he hardly makes saves as an Eagles Goaie... as almost every goal-bound or decent chance results in a goal.
You do know that goalies are supposed to stop some of those chances that have a high probability of going in?
BTW, it is not like making tackles... as positioning and reading the game helps one to not have to make tackles. But should the need to make tackles arise, they can execute it.
Ps., He is a good goalie but he ain't a shot-stopper like some of the guys we have had in the past... he checks other parts of goalkeeping but he must improve his shot-stopping.
Some of us natives see things before they happen... but they tell us we are not sophisticated enough to understand what we are seeing.
I see guys are looking to deflect the blame for our loss away from the real culprit. The buck stops at the Coach/Manager. His tactics were poor and amateurish. He was found out and didn't have any of our players to bail him out with one moment of magic.
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The coach was responsible, but Okoye is definately a weak link. You are fooling yourself if u think otherwise.
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You won't like this but Akpeyi has the best reflexes of the 3 goalkeepers.
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Okoye is not a very good goalkeeper unfortunately..but he did not pick himself as the number 1 keeper
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I for one don't think Okoye was responsible for our loss, however, he was responsible for the goal by Tunisia. Those are 2 separate things. I agree with you. We lost the game partly because we had poor forwards, which was compounded by the red card.
Lolly wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:19 pmBut it wasn't Okoye's fault that we didn't have one single shot on target in the first half and only one on target over 95 minutes of the round 16 match.Cellular wrote: ↑Mon Jan 24, 2022 3:14 pmBack in November when Damunk was arguing that we don't know what we are talking about.Cellular wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:32 pmI don't know when you became an expert in fallacious arguments.Damunk wrote: ↑Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:21 pm Are we now judging Okoye on a failure to "make great saves"?
Why not judge a Keeper's competence on his failure to save penalties?
Who judges a 22 year old based on that?
Oh, I forgot....Nigerians don't 'learn' or have a need to gain 'experience'.
If we have a clearly better alternative, put him nah.
If not......
Okoye is not being judged on "making great saves" rather the conversation is that he hardly makes saves as an Eagles Goaie... as almost every goal-bound or decent chance results in a goal.
You do know that goalies are supposed to stop some of those chances that have a high probability of going in?
BTW, it is not like making tackles... as positioning and reading the game helps one to not have to make tackles. But should the need to make tackles arise, they can execute it.
Ps., He is a good goalie but he ain't a shot-stopper like some of the guys we have had in the past... he checks other parts of goalkeeping but he must improve his shot-stopping.
Some of us natives see things before they happen... but they tell us we are not sophisticated enough to understand what we are seeing.
I see guys are looking to deflect the blame for our loss away from the real culprit. The buck stops at the Coach/Manager. His tactics were poor and amateurish. He was found out and didn't have any of our players to bail him out with one moment of magic.
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It was easy to blame Akpeyi for Algerian free kick and Ezenwa for his mistake (I can't remember now).
We can't blame Okoye for the Tunisian goal! No, we can't....
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If you don't remember, why do you post gibberish? And only a mad person will blame Akpeyi for the Algerian goal.
A better example would have been the Argentina freekick!
A better example would have been the Argentina freekick!
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What mistake did Ezenwa make? The reason you can’t remember is that he didn’t make any unless, of course, you consider failing to save a penalty kick a mistake
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Okoye is a very good goalkeeper and I have seen him make similar saves at Club level. His problem is when he plays for Nigeria, he appears not to be confident and that is something he has to work on. He should not allow the pressure to get to him and I hope he learns from this experience.
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Caused a PK away to Cameroon in 2017 by oddly rushing off his line when the defender had it under control.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:30 pmWhat mistake did Ezenwa make? The reason you can’t remember is that he didn’t make any unless, of course, you consider failing to save a penalty kick a mistake
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Stop the outrageous lies. This amounts to giving a dog a bad name in order to kill it. Post the video. It should be availablemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:22 amCaused a PK away to Cameroon in 2017 by oddly rushing off his line when the defender had it under control.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:30 pmWhat mistake did Ezenwa make? The reason you can’t remember is that he didn’t make any unless, of course, you consider failing to save a penalty kick a mistake
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Why would I need to lie?TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:28 amStop the outrageous lies. This amounts to giving a dog a bad name in order to kill it. Post the video. It should be availablemaceo4 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 12:22 amCaused a PK away to Cameroon in 2017 by oddly rushing off his line when the defender had it under control.TonyTheTigerKiller wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 11:30 pmWhat mistake did Ezenwa make? The reason you can’t remember is that he didn’t make any unless, of course, you consider failing to save a penalty kick a mistake
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